Why register with the Steelers Fever Forums?
 • Intelligent and friendly discussions.
 • It's free and it's quick. Always.
 • Enter events in the forums calendar.
 • Very user friendly software.
 • Exclusive contests and giveaways.

 Donate to Steelers Fever, Click here
 Our 2013 Goal: $400.00 - To Date: $00.00 (00.00%)
 Home | Forums | Editorials | Shop | Tickets | Downloads | Contact Pittsburgh Steelers Forum Feed Not Just Fans. Hardcore Fans.

Go Back   Steelers Fever Forums > Miscellaneous > Locker Room


Steelers Fever Fan Shop

Doc's Sports Get FREE NFL Picks and College Football picks as well as Football Lines like live NFL Lines and updated NFL Power Rankings all at Doc's Sports Service.

Steelers Steelers - Bills Bills
August 16th, 2014, 7:30pmET

CBS
Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 03-21-2009, 08:33 AM   #11
PisnNapalm
Team Owner
Supporter
 
PisnNapalm's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Spring City, PA
Posts: 2,776
Member Number: 1225
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: Fed Plans to Inject Another $1 Trillion to Aid the Economy

Ladies and gentlemen.... It's time for a revolution.

We can start by loudly voicing our disgust with current policy.

http://www.teapartyday.com/
__________________
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." -Thomas Jefferson
Μολὼν λάβε
PisnNapalm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-21-2009, 09:13 AM   #12
lilyoder6
locked behind Xanax bars
 
lilyoder6's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Playin' touch football, on marijuana street
Posts: 6,388
Gender: Male
Member Number: 2568
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: Fed Plans to Inject Another $1 Trillion to Aid the Economy

this is getting out of control..

i think rly the only way obama will cut the deficit in half will have to be the same reason the great depression was ended, A world war...
__________________

Beer is proof God loves us and wants us to be happy ~ Ben Franklin
Freedom: some use it, Everyone enjoys it, A few defend it.
lilyoder6 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2009, 05:31 PM   #13
fansince'76
Living Legend
Supporter
 

Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 17,423
Member Number: 1984
Thanks: 141
Thanked 799 Times in 311 Posts
Default Re: Fed Plans to Inject Another $1 Trillion to Aid the Economy

Quote:
Originally Posted by smokin3000gt View Post
That could never happen now. Obama sent Iran a tv commercial full of teddy bears and rainbows. World peace is finally here folks! All we had to do was talk nicely..
Yep, time for us all to come together in a circle, join hands, and sing Kumbaya.

Quote:
Tehran, Iran Iran's supreme leader rebuffed President Barack Obama's latest outreach on Saturday, saying Tehran was still waiting to see concrete changes in U.S. policy.

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei was responding to a video message Obama released Friday in which he reached out to Iran on the occasion of Nowruz, the Persian new year, and expressed hopes for an improvement in nearly 30 years of strained relations.

Khamenei holds the last word on major policy decisions, and how Iran ultimately responds to any concrete U.S. effort to engage the country will depend largely on his say.

In his most direct assessment of Obama and prospects for better ties, Khamenei said there will be no change between the two countries unless the American president puts an end to U.S. hostility toward Iran and brings "real changes" in foreign policy.

"They chant the slogan of change but no change is seen in practice. We haven't seen any change," Khamenei said in a speech before a crowd of tens of thousands in the northeastern holy city of Mashhad.

In his video message, Obama said the United States wants to engage Iran, but he also warned that a right place for Iran in the international community "cannot be reached through terror or arms, but rather through peaceful actions that demonstrate the true greatness of the Iranian people and civilization."

Khamenei asked how Obama could congratulate Iranians on the new year and accuse the country of supporting terrorism and seeking nuclear weapons in the same message.

Khamenei said there has been no change even in Obama's language compared to that of his predecessor.

"He (Obama) insulted the Islamic Republic of Iran from the first day. If you are right that change has come, where is that change? What is the sign of that change? Make it clear for us what has changed."

Still, Khamenei left the door open to better ties with America, saying "should you change, our behavior will change too."

Diplomatic ties between the U.S. and Iran were cut after the U.S. Embassy hostage-taking after the 1979 Islamic Revolution, which toppled the pro-U.S. shah and brought to power a government of Islamic clerics.

The United States cooperated with Iran in late 2001 and 2002 in the Afghanistan conflict, but the promising contacts fizzled and were extinguished completely when Bush branded Tehran part of the "Axis of Evil."

Khamenei enumerated a long list of Iranian grievances against the United States over the past 30 years and said the U.S. was still interfering in Iranian affairs.

He mentioned U.S. sanctions against Iran, U.S. support for Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein during his 1980-88 war against Iran and the downing of an Iranian airliner over the Persian Gulf in 1988.

He also accused the U.S. of provoking ethnic tension in Iran and said Washington's accusations that Iran is seeking nuclear weapons are a sign of U.S. hostility. Iran says its nuclear program is only for peaceful purposes, like energy production, not for building weapons.

"Have you released Iranian assets? Have you lifted oppressive sanctions? Have you given up mudslinging and making accusations against the great Iranian nation and its officials? Have you given up your unconditional support for the Zionist regime? Even the language remains unchanged," Khamenei said.

Khamenei, wearing a black turban and dark robes, said America was hated around the world for its arrogance, as the crowd chanted "Death to America."

Prominent political analyst Saeed Leilaz said Khamenei's comments did not amount to a rejection of better ties with the Obama administration. Rather, Iran's current hard-line leaders need to publicly maintain some degree of anti-U.S. rhetoric to bolster their own position, especially with their conservative base, he said.

"Iran's ruling Islamic establishment needs to lessen tensions with the U.S. and at the same time maintain a controlled animosity with Washington," he said. "Iran can't praise Obama all of a sudden."

Khamenei will also likely stand his ground as long as he remains concerned about the United States' ability to destabilize Iran, he said.

For its part, the Obama administration must take practical steps such as lifting a ban on selling Iran spare parts for passenger aircraft or considering unfreezing Iranian assets in the U.S., Leilaz said.

Obama has signaled a willingness to speak directly with Iran about its nuclear program and hostility toward Israel, a key U.S. ally. At his inauguration last month, the president said his administration would reach out to rival states, declaring "we will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist."

"They say we have stretched a hand toward Iran. ... If a hand is stretched covered with a velvet glove but it is cast iron inside, that makes no sense," Khamenei said.
Iranian Mullah-ocracy Tells Obama to Go Piss Up a Rope
fansince'76 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-22-2009, 06:03 PM   #14
revefsreleets
Living Legend
 
revefsreleets's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Akron, Ohio Home of LeBron James
Posts: 15,403
Gender: Male
Member Number: 5353
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: Fed Plans to Inject Another $1 Trillion to Aid the Economy

The Ayatollah is the REAL power in Iran, too...Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is just a mouthpiece for him.

But is this a real surprise? You don't need to live here to know that Obama changed nothing....
__________________
Official Steelersfever Arians Nuthugger
revefsreleets is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-23-2009, 05:51 PM   #15
BrandonCarr39
Team Captain
 
BrandonCarr39's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 917
Member Number: 7458
Thanks: 0
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Default Re: Fed Plans to Inject Another $1 Trillion to Aid the Economy

The market went UP almost 500 pts today b/c of this news.

This is a joke, right? And some more supposedly good news is how housing sales went UP 5.1%?? With some 600K+ jobs being lost every month for the last 3 months, people somehow are able to afford to BUY HOMES?!

Sorry, I don't buy it.
BrandonCarr39 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-23-2009, 07:36 PM   #16
Godfather
Living Legend
Supporter
 

Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,140
Member Number: 547
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: Fed Plans to Inject Another $1 Trillion to Aid the Economy

Quote:
Originally Posted by TNewman41 View Post
The market went UP almost 500 pts today b/c of this news.

This is a joke, right? And some more supposedly good news is how housing sales went UP 5.1%?? With some 600K+ jobs being lost every month for the last 3 months, people somehow are able to afford to BUY HOMES?!

Sorry, I don't buy it.
Up 5.1% from what? That's the key.
Godfather is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-23-2009, 08:07 PM   #17
Dino 6 Rings
Living Legend
 
Dino 6 Rings's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Arkansas (formerly New Jersey)
Posts: 8,248
Gender: Male
Member Number: 6891
Thanks: 17
Thanked 57 Times in 32 Posts
Default Re: Fed Plans to Inject Another $1 Trillion to Aid the Economy

Quote:
Originally Posted by TNewman41 View Post
The market went UP almost 500 pts today b/c of this news.

This is a joke, right? And some more supposedly good news is how housing sales went UP 5.1%?? With some 600K+ jobs being lost every month for the last 3 months, people somehow are able to afford to BUY HOMES?!

Sorry, I don't buy it.
Actually I think the Chinese are buying the foreclosed homes...but what do I know...
__________________
SuperBowl Wins - How many does YOUR team have?
Steelers 6, 49ers 5, Cowboys 5, Packers 4, Giants 4, Redskins 3, Raiders 3, Pats 3, Broncos 2, Dolphins 2, Colts 2, Ravens 2 Bears 1,Jets 1, Bucs 1, Rams 1, Chiefs 1, Saints1
Dino 6 Rings is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-23-2009, 09:07 PM   #18
Preacher
Living Legend
 

Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 3,890
Member Number: 16327
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
Default Re: Fed Plans to Inject Another $1 Trillion to Aid the Economy

Quote:
Originally Posted by smokin3000gt View Post
Do the math, sir.

$13 obama dollars a week x 4 = $52/month (before taxes)
$52/week = new homes for everyone!


Actually here in south west florida, we have already seen a large increase in existing home sales, now construction is picking up again (thank God). I can't speak for other parts of the US as we're all different (good luck Cali) but it definitely seems to be turning around here. Talking to some realtors and mortgage brokers in the area, they told me that every single week for the past 6 months have been an increase from the month prior. We're looking forward to hiring back some of the guys we had to lay off!
Yep. There has been some reports of home prices starting to bounce up in San Francisco as well. Maybe the bottom has been hit.
Preacher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2009, 09:32 AM   #19
revefsreleets
Living Legend
 
revefsreleets's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Akron, Ohio Home of LeBron James
Posts: 15,403
Gender: Male
Member Number: 5353
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Re: Fed Plans to Inject Another $1 Trillion to Aid the Economy

Krugman HATES the plan...says it's pretty much the same plan Bush had (surprise surprise surprise, Obama steals MORE Bush stuff).

Remember that Krugman was the guy who said all the trillions we are spending were NOT ENOUGH. Maybe a 20 trillion dollar deficit is a good idea to him?

My guess is, if Bush was going to roll this out, and Paul Krugman hates it, it'll probably be just what the Dr. ordered...the fact is, these assets ARE undervalued now. That' precisely the point. There have already been a couple big hitters (Bill Gross of PIMCO and billionare Wilbur Ross) who have vowed to start snatching these troubled assets up almost immediately.

http://www.ohio.com/editorial/commentary/41725937.html

Uh-oh, 'cash for trash'
By Paul Krugman
New York Times


Published on Tuesday, Mar 24, 2009

NEW YORK: Over the weekend the New York Times and other newspapers reported leaked details about the Obama administration's bank rescue plan, which was officially released on Monday. Tim Geithner, the Treasury secretary, has persuaded President Barack Obama to recycle Bush administration policy — specifically, the ''cash for trash'' plan proposed, then abandoned, six months ago by then-Treasury secretary Henry Paulson.

This is more than disappointing. In fact, it fills me with a sense of despair.

After all, we've just been through the firestorm over the AIG bonuses, during which administration officials claimed that they knew nothing, couldn't do anything, and anyway it was someone else's fault. Meanwhile, the administration has failed to quell the public's doubts about what banks are doing with taxpayer money.

And now Obama has settled on a financial plan that, in essence, assumes that banks are fundamentally sound and that bankers know what they're doing.

It's as if the president were determined to confirm the growing perception that he and his economic team are out of touch, that their economic vision is clouded by excessively close ties to Wall Street. And by the time Obama realizes that he needs to change course, his political capital may be gone.

Let's talk for a moment about the economics of the situation.

Right now, our economy is being dragged down by our dysfunctional financial system, which has been crippled by huge losses on mortgage-backed securities and other assets.

As economic historians can tell you, this is an old story, not that different from dozens of similar crises over the centuries. And there's a time-honored procedure for dealing with the aftermath of widespread financial failure. It goes like this: the government secures confidence in the system by guaranteeing many (though not necessarily all) bank debts. At the same time, it takes temporary control of truly insolvent banks, in order to clean up their books.

That's what Sweden did in the early 1990s. It's also what we ourselves did after the savings and loan debacle of the Reagan years. And there's no reason we can't do the same thing now.

But the Obama administration, like the Bush administration, apparently wants an easier way out. The common element to the Paulson and Geithner plans is the insistence that the bad assets on banks' books are really worth much, much more than anyone is currently willing to pay for them. In fact, their true value is so high that if they were properly priced, banks wouldn't be in trouble.

And so the plan is to use taxpayer funds to drive the prices of bad assets up to ''fair'' levels. Paulson proposed having the government buy the assets directly. Geithner instead proposes a complicated scheme in which the government lends money to private investors, who then use the money to buy the stuff. The idea, says Obama's top economic adviser, is to use ''the expertise of the market'' to set the value of toxic assets.

But the Geithner scheme would offer a one-way bet: If asset values go up, the investors profit, but if they go down, the investors can walk away from their debt. So this isn't really about letting markets work. It's just an indirect, disguised way to subsidize purchases of bad assets.

The likely cost to taxpayers aside, there's something strange going on here. By my count, this is the third time Obama administration officials have floated a scheme that is essentially a rehash of the Paulson plan, each time adding a new set of bells and whistles and claiming that they're doing something completely different. This is starting to look obsessive.

But the real problem with this plan is that it won't work. Yes, troubled assets may be somewhat undervalued. But the fact is that financial executives literally bet their banks on the belief that there was no housing bubble, and the related belief that unprecedented levels of household debt were no problem. They lost that bet. And no amount of financial hocus-pocus — for that is what the Geithner plan amounts to — will change that fact.

You might say, why not try the plan and see what happens? One answer is that time is wasting: Every month that we fail to come to grips with the economic crisis another 600,000 jobs are lost.

Even more important, however, is the way Obama is squandering his credibility. If this plan fails — as it almost surely will — it's unlikely that he'll be able to persuade Congress to come up with more funds to do what he should have done in the first place.

All is not lost: The public wants Obama to succeed, which means that he can still rescue his bank rescue plan. But time is running out.



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Krugman is a New York Times columnist.
__________________
Official Steelersfever Arians Nuthugger
revefsreleets is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:28 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Shoutbox provided by vBShout v6.2.1 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.0.8 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2014 DragonByte Technologies Ltd. Runs best on HiVelocity Hosting.
Navbar with Avatar by Motorradforum
no new posts