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Old 07-08-2014, 08:07 PM   #11
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Default Re: Despite Stigma, Kids of Same-Sex Parents Thrive

This "study" seems flawed from the start because it used the general population as its comparison.
The two biggest issues I see that skew the results of this "study" are as follows:
- Same-sex couples can't end up with unwanted children they aren't prepared to care for as the result of an accidental pregnancy. There are plenty of cases of that happening in the general population.
- Adoption is expensive, meaning same-sex couples who adopt are clearly not impoverished like many families/parents in the general population.

A better comparison might have been the happiness and well-being of children adopted by same-sex couples opposed to the happiness and well-being of children adopted by opposite-sex couples.
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This "study" seems flawed from the start because it used the general population as its comparison.
The two biggest issues I see that skew the results of this "study" are as follows:
- Same-sex couples can't end up with unwanted children they aren't prepared to care for as the result of an accidental pregnancy. There are plenty of cases of that happening in the general population.
- Adoption is expensive, meaning same-sex couples who adopt are clearly not impoverished like many families/parents in the general population.

A better comparison might have been the happiness and well-being of children adopted by same-sex couples opposed to the happiness and well-being of children adopted by opposite-sex couples.
http://www.goldencradle.org/how-do-c...-adoption-fare

Outcomes of multiple same sex studies with 500 same-sex parents:
An analysis of fifteen studies involving 500 same-sex parents by Tufts-New England Medical Center in Boston concluded that children from same-sex parents do just as well as children from heterosexual couples. All of these studies very consistently showed that factors such as self-esteem, relationship with peers, intelligence, behavior, and gender identity were the same whether children were raised by heterosexual couples or by same-sex couples.

One study followed children raised by same-sex parents for 11 years as they became adults. The conclusion was still the same: that these adults fared just as well as adults that had been raised by heterosexual parents. Factors analyzed were: sexual orientation identification, self-esteem, relationships with family, the ability to adjust, and underlying psychological issues.

Furthermore, it has been found that the sexual orientation of the parents does not determine what type of parental abilities the parents have. For example, in a study with lesbian couples, it was found that parental abilities and styles were the same between same-sex parents and heterosexual parents - other than the fact that the lesbian couples were more inclined to share household duties and do child rearing on a more equal basis.

Same-sex adoption study outcome:
One University of Virginia and George Washington University same-sex adoption study came to the same conclusions.

This study researched preschool-aged children who had been adopted as babies in heterosexual adoptions and same-sex adoptions, including both lesbian and gay adoptive parents. It went beyond earlier studies by researching outside evaluations of teachers and caregivers, as well as reports by the parents.

As with other studies, this study found that the children from same-sex adoptions were as well-adjusted as those from heterosexual adoptions.

This study also researched gender identification of the children to examine how children raised with same-sex parents identified with gender-related behavior. Overall, children start exhibiting gender behavior during the preschool years, with girls wanting to play with toys like dolls, and boys wanting toys like trucks and cars. This study found that all the children showed similar gender behavior as their same-aged peers, whether they were raised by same-sex parents or by heterosexual parents.

The study did find that, as with any family, the outcomes of the children hinged on: parenting abilities overall; the stresses in the family; and the satisfaction of the parents' relationship. And, the study found that heterosexual and same-sex adoptive parents exhibited these success factors equally.
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hmmmm.....i wonder what Caps opinion on the mater would be?
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http://www.goldencradle.org/how-do-c...-adoption-fare

Outcomes of multiple same sex studies with 500 same-sex parents:
An analysis of fifteen studies involving 500 same-sex parents by Tufts-New England Medical Center in Boston concluded that children from same-sex parents do just as well as children from heterosexual couples. All of these studies very consistently showed that factors such as self-esteem, relationship with peers, intelligence, behavior, and gender identity were the same whether children were raised by heterosexual couples or by same-sex couples.

One study followed children raised by same-sex parents for 11 years as they became adults. The conclusion was still the same: that these adults fared just as well as adults that had been raised by heterosexual parents. Factors analyzed were: sexual orientation identification, self-esteem, relationships with family, the ability to adjust, and underlying psychological issues.

Furthermore, it has been found that the sexual orientation of the parents does not determine what type of parental abilities the parents have. For example, in a study with lesbian couples, it was found that parental abilities and styles were the same between same-sex parents and heterosexual parents - other than the fact that the lesbian couples were more inclined to share household duties and do child rearing on a more equal basis.

Same-sex adoption study outcome:
One University of Virginia and George Washington University same-sex adoption study came to the same conclusions.

This study researched preschool-aged children who had been adopted as babies in heterosexual adoptions and same-sex adoptions, including both lesbian and gay adoptive parents. It went beyond earlier studies by researching outside evaluations of teachers and caregivers, as well as reports by the parents.

As with other studies, this study found that the children from same-sex adoptions were as well-adjusted as those from heterosexual adoptions.

This study also researched gender identification of the children to examine how children raised with same-sex parents identified with gender-related behavior. Overall, children start exhibiting gender behavior during the preschool years, with girls wanting to play with toys like dolls, and boys wanting toys like trucks and cars. This study found that all the children showed similar gender behavior as their same-aged peers, whether they were raised by same-sex parents or by heterosexual parents.

The study did find that, as with any family, the outcomes of the children hinged on: parenting abilities overall; the stresses in the family; and the satisfaction of the parents' relationship. And, the study found that heterosexual and same-sex adoptive parents exhibited these success factors equally.
The results of the studies you listed aren't surprising to me in the slightest, as I can see no reasonable cause to expect children raised by two same-sex parents to have any measurable adverse outcomes compared to children raised by two parents who are heterosexual, assuming both sets of parents have relatively similar financial resources.

The study cited in the initial post seemed to me to have been conducted with the intention of proving that children raised by same-sex couples are somehow better off than most kids -- hence the comparison to the general population. A study of adopted children raised by heterosexual couples with the financial means to adopt would have likely yielded similar results when compared to the general population.

Basically, what I'm saying is using the general population as a comparison for something like this doesn't make the results all that compelling, because the general population includes a lot of kids in really lousy situations.
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