Stop kidding youselfs; Flacco is solid.

[jacobo]

No, Big Ben is better than Manning (just about as good as Brady, can't really differentiate at that point) because he's had way less talent and way more success. Pretty easy to see. Peyton's a choker who puts up pretty numbers through and through.

Oh, and I answered the second part in that post as well. His receivers aren't talented. They don't work to get open. His line is shit. Add that all together and you get him holding onto the ball. How much more anemic would our offense be if he didnt? We wouldn't score any point without him extending plays.

Mediocre work ethic? Maybe. Who knows what it would be like if he had a coach like Belichek or Dungy. But his talent is evident.

[BleedPurple]

Originally Posted by jacobo

No, Big Ben is better than Manning (just about as good as Brady, can't really differentiate at that point) because he's had way less talent and way more success. Pretty easy to see. Peyton's a choker who puts up pretty numbers through and through.

Oh, and I answered the second part in that post as well. His receivers aren't talented. They don't work to get open. His line is shit. Add that all together and you get him holding onto the ball. How much more anemic would our offense be if he didnt? We wouldn't score any point without him extending plays.

Mediocre work ethic? Maybe. Who knows what it would be like if he had a coach like Belichek or Dungy. But his talent is evident.

His line is shit so he holds the ball? Doesn't make sense.

I can't carry on this convo any more because you show your homerism saying he is better than Manning. Honestly, Pittsburgh has enough talent to win a SB despite a bad performance from Ben, but Indianapolis COLLAPSED after Manning left.

2009: 14-2 with Manning, went to the superbowl.

2010: 10-6, went to the playoffs.

2011: 2-14 OHMYGODWHATHAPPENED. Oh yea, no Manning. He was the team, he did NOT have more talent than Ben, who has enjoyed a good receiving core, stable HC, and oh yea let's see one of the best defenses in the league for most of his career.

[jacobo]

If he gets rid of the ball it potentially results in a turnover because his receivers are small and unwilling and unable to get open most of the time (no legit number 1 receiver) .Turning the ball over is worse than a sack. So he uses his natural ability to run around, avoiding tackles to allow his receivers to try to get open and complete balls. Understand?

Absolutely no shades on right now actually. This team is pretty mediocre. Ben's easily the best thing we have on it

And about Manning, I'm not denying he's great and a hall of famer, but he's certainly overrated by the media, and I'm assuming that's where you're getting your opinions from. The Colts were awful that year because the team was going downward for a few years beforehand, and him being a great quarterback that they relied on alot, couldn't cope with everything falling apart at once. Thus they had a bad season. And it wasn't really that bad tbh. They played hard the entire time with decent talent but just couldn't overcome all their holes.

Receivers:

Manning: Harrison, Wayne, Stokely, Clark, Thomas, Decker, Garcon (and not to mention the second best runningback of his era in James)

Ben: Ward, Miller..... uhhh, Cedrick Wilson? Nate Washington was alright here but nowhere near as good as he is in Ten. uhhhhhh, young money? The core who can't hold onto balls, get open, jump, fight for position, and routinely have retarded mental lapses?

But yeah, Ben's had "good" receivers. Name a number 1. Please, I'd love to know.

And stable HC lol. Tony Dungy isn't good enough for you? Not to mention how great Moore was as an OC. By the time Dungy was gone he was able to run the offense without any need of a good HC.