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Old 03-02-2009, 09:10 AM   #31
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The Pats* turned down a first rounder because it's going to be taken away by the league office anyway!
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Old 03-02-2009, 09:57 AM   #32
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Absolutely right that they turned it down because of the guaranteed money #3 comes with.

Unless there is an absolute iron clad stone cold lock of a player there, why pay the absurd amount of money for a player who may never perform up to expectations? There will be plenty of solid talent at #34 anyway...this was (and I hate to give the evil cheating empire credit) a smart move.
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Old 03-02-2009, 12:00 PM   #33
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Yeah, I remember some analysts saying that the #1 pick in the draft isnt a reward to make teams better..............but rather the rookie contract is a financial penalty for being such a bad team.
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Old 03-02-2009, 12:22 PM   #34
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But you are all forgetting two things.

1) They can trade for a player for FUTURE picks...it takes away from the argument that they had too many picks this year and were worried about the cash.

2) The buccaneers were one of the teams involved in a willingness to trade a first round pick....and the #19 slot is a BEAUTIFUL pick to acquire. One of the best positions to trade for lower FUTURE picks or for a PLAYER outright. Heck...take the #19 for Cassell and trade it for Channing Crowder!!!


Just way to many ways to go other than a high 1st rounder...to justify not trading a player for full value.
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Old 03-05-2009, 09:15 PM   #35
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Looks like Mortensen has admitted to a bit of sensationalizing in this story. Though certainly not the first time espn has twisted rumor and opinion in to facts, this may be the first time they have admitted doing so.

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On Tim Graham's AFC East blog on Sunday, I speculated about the Cassel deal, including the source of the leaks. I framed it as speculation without real foundation, but it seemingly has mushroomed into fact when it is not. Leaks happen in the business. I'd be out of work if they didn't. Why I participated in speculating about the source of the leak is so hypocritical I can't stand myself.

Bottom line, it isn't fair to Belichick or McDaniels to speculate how something confidential became public. I could have speculated more logically, if you really think about it. The only thing I'll do now is say that the Broncos were na´ve if they believed that a 24-hour run at Cassel would remain out of the public domain.
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Old 03-06-2009, 08:36 PM   #36
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Hard to argue when they wound up with the #34 pick in exchange for a 2005 seventh rounder. Maybe Belichick could've got a 1st but an already-limited market was shrinking and some GMs weren't convinced about Cassel. On draft day, some team will offer their 2010 first-rounder cuz they "can't believe _______ is still on the board!"
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The Pats have like 4 2nd rounders this year now?

Really-that's actually pretty good, especially considering how there were a ton of 2nd round gems last year. Belichick could draft OL, and maybe even Vince Wilfork's future replacement(assuming Wilfork will be seeing Albert Haynesworth type of money next year).
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The Pats have like 4 2nd rounders this year now?

Really-that's actually pretty good, especially considering how there were a ton of 2nd round gems last year. Belichick could draft OL, and maybe even Vince Wilfork's future replacement(assuming Wilfork will be seeing Albert Haynesworth type of money next year).
I could be wrong but I think it's three 2nd rounders: their own, one from the KC trade, and one from a trade with San Diego last year. They're also probably going to get a compensatory pick at the end of the 3rd round for losing Samuels to Philadelphia in free agency last year.
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Beeliprick hates his EX coords, he would give cassell to Pioli for free before he let Mcdaniels get a hold of him.
I don't know, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. He loves his ex-FO workers but he hates his ex-coaches? I could be wrong but I think he's pretty friendly with most everyone he used to work with (Parcells, Weis, Crennel, Saban, etc.) with the lone exception of Mangini. Mangini tried to talk some players and coaches in to going with him to the Jets when he was still in NE, then tried to work a deal with Deon Branch when Branch was holding out - and all that was before he turned the video taper in to NFL officials.
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