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Old 09-04-2013, 08:44 PM   #21
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Default Re: 9/11 Rethink (# 7 Head-scratcher aka cognitive dissonance disrupted

Applying Occam's razor what most likely happened is terrorists flew a huge plane into a building and it collapsed from the heat.

Cognitive dissonance is usually necessary to actually believe most conspiracy theories.

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Default Re: 9/11 Rethink (# 7 Head-scratcher aka cognitive dissonance disrupted

Lol... follow along GB....


#7 is referring to a building below that wasn't actually struck by a terrorist flown plane
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Lol... follow along GB....


#7 is referring to a building below that wasn't actually struck by a terrorist flown plane
and was also further away than other buildings that were next to the twin towers hit by the planes , but yet those closer buildings were hit by debris and on fire but yet still stood...they were not owned or leased by larry silversteen so they didn't collapse...
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Building 7 did not free fall to the ground. Not sure why people keep claiming that. It free fell for a couple of seconds. "Point #11" in the following link:

http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudi.../faqs_wtc7.cfm

The original video only shows the collapse from one side. The building's inner supports had already collapsed, as the outer supports were more sturdy and less exposed to the fires. In short the center/inside of the building fell down, the outer sides resisted for a while (while being pulled down and inward), then the outside finally fell and fell fast (though it was not a free fall from start to finish).

Notice also in the second video, the incredibly loud explosions of a controlled demo, sounds like artillery fire. There is absolutely zero evidence of this regarding WTC 7. None.

As said, every single thing mentioned has been addressed, even if not to everyone's satisfaction.

As for molten metals, there was scant evidence of it, and the airplanes and the outside of the buildings contained a lot of aluminum, which melts at a much lower temperature than steel (well within the range of any prolonged building fire).

As for steel that looked melted. The oxidation of iron is an exothermic reaction. With the massive pressures involved of a collapsing building, along with the larger surface areas involved with pulverized ingredients, along with the already high temperatures involved of the burning buildings, combined with the amount of water sprayed on the debris pile (and groundwater that seeped in when the WTC substructure was destroyed) which turned to steam, it is perfectly plausible that things got extremely hot and stayed hot in the debris pile for days after the tragedy.

The bottom line is science explains everything much more sufficiently than vague, motiveless conspiracy theories, imo.
Those little fires melted all the giant steel girders in the center? Never happened before that day, never happened since. Office fires can't melt steel, nor can jet fuel.

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Applying Occam's razor what most likely happened is terrorists flew a huge plane into a building and it collapsed from the heat.

Cognitive dissonance is usually necessary to actually believe most conspiracy theories.

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Occam's razor is not an infallible way to discover all truths. It applies often, but not always. I hate when people think it applies in every instance of every event. It simply doesn't. So, using that, we really did invade Iraq because we really were worried that his lame WMDs were an imminent threat to America. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigghhhhtttttttttt ttttt. That's the ticket. Using OR, JFK really was shot by one lone kook with a shitty Italian rifle. Heck, back in the day, OR would say the world really is flat and at the center of the universe. That was the most simple explanation.
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Well, no, an office cannot physical produce the amount of heat needed to melt/bend steel. I would imagine concrete could aid that, however, so i'm on the fence about it.
Office and jet fuel can only attain fires that are 850 degrees. Steel melts and 2,500?

Why was there molten steel found at the base of the towers? There was nothing in those fires that should have done that. And by the way, aluminium doesn't look like molten steel when it melts; it looks like molten aluminum.

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Default Re: 9/11 Rethink (# 7 Head-scratcher aka cognitive dissonance disrupted

the fire in the tower was like a million degrees.

maybe even a billion
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Office and jet fuel can only attain fires that are 850 degrees. Steel melts and 2,500?

Why was there molten steel found at the base of the towers? There was nothing in those fires that should have done that. And by the way, aluminium doesn't look like molten steel when it melts; it looks like molten aluminum.

You're not getting any arguments out of me. Jet fuel is basically Kerosene. It CAN and WILL melt sheet metal over a small period of time, but will NOT melt steel. Planes have gotten hit by lightning and fuel tanks have burned for days on the runway leaving blackened, but not molten steel. Jet fuel would have a hard time even weakening steel, to be honest.
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Those little fires melted all the giant steel girders in the center? Never happened before that day, never happened since. Office fires can't melt steel, nor can jet fuel.

Who said "little fires" "melted" girders?

Steel gets weaker the hotter it gets. It also expands the hotter it gets. If some girders/joints expand while others do not then loads are shifted, and girders can slip from their column connection. When loads further shift and pile up onto the fire-weakened steel, it buckles.

There is no need for melting steel for the building to collapse. Nor has anyone claimed melted steel collapsed the building. Again, please address the points made, in this case #5 on the link provided, nowhere does it claim melted steel caused the collapse.

The amounts of molten metal after the collapse of the towers is a different issue and also has been addressed (in written form that you ignored, maybe visual form will do the trick):


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Who said "little fires" "melted" girders?

Steel gets weaker the hotter it gets. It also expands the hotter it gets. If some girders/joints expand while others do not then loads are shifted, and girders can slip from their column connection. When loads further shift and pile up onto the fire-weakened steel, it buckles.

There is no need for melting steel for the building to collapse. Nor has anyone claimed melted steel collapsed the building. Again, please address the points made, in this case #5 on the link provided, nowhere does it claim melted steel caused the collapse.

The amounts of molten metal after the collapse of the towers is a different issue and also has been addressed (in written form that you ignored, maybe visual form will do the trick):

The molten steel is only one oddity in the face of 100s. Eye witnesses reported "a river" of molten steel. But we can toss that out all together. The simple fact is, steel framed buildings never collapse from fire. It's not possible. It never happened prior to that day and has never happened since. Your assertion the 7's inner support girders collapsed from small office fires is absurd. One only needs to apply common sense to realize it was taken out by demolition. And that would have required prior planning and implementation. There is no getting around that.



Steel-framed buildings don't just collapse. I mean, come on. How can a sane person look at that and think two small fires caused the whole thing to just go down like that.
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