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Old 10-29-2013, 12:46 PM   #31
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Default Re: Fire Tomlin? Be careful for what you wish

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Tomlin is the issue, get your head out of the sand people.

Someone name one phase of the team that has improved under Tomlin?

Now name all the phases that have declined since his arrival...
You mean because of age? Ya, can't beat father time buddy. He's undefeated.
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Old 10-29-2013, 12:55 PM   #32
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Old 10-29-2013, 01:05 PM   #33
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I'm not so sure the team would be any better under Whiz but I doubt they would be a whole lot worse. I am not encouraging the Steelers to hire him as there head coach just saying that comparing Whiz' body of work in Arizona with an entirely different roster is apples and oranges.

Tomlin did an excellent job of managing the talent that he inherited. He is a likeable guy and a players coach the problem is much of that talent has faded which happens over time. I still don't see where Tomlin has the authority, vision and demeanor to develop championship style athletes. I will continue to route each week and hope for a turn around but when you have an elite qb the focus should be on how far in the playoffs will we go not how high of a draft pick will we get.
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Old 10-29-2013, 01:27 PM   #34
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1. Phil Jackson made a career of winning with "other coaches' players."

1-a. The 2008 schedule was insane. That was simply some of the best coaching that I have ever seen by any coach in the history of the NFL... no matter whose players they were.

2. The 2008 draft was an abomination.

2-a. The 2009 draft was good, but those payers left as free agents. Saying that Tomlin can't evaluate talent is like blaming Cowher couldn't evaluate talent... because Cowher lost Yancey Thigpen & Chad Brown to free agency.

3. When people compare Tomlin to Belichick, Noll, Shula, Walsh, Landry (& even Cowher) they are going to be disappointed. But, there are about 25 teams that would take Tomlin in a heartbeat.
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Tomlin is the issue, get your head out of the sand people.

Someone name one phase of the team that has improved under Tomlin?

Now name all the phases that have declined since his arrival...
only a Sith deals in absolutes . . .

wait, what are you trying to say? Is this a guessing game? I'm con-fuss-ed
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2-a. The 2009 draft was good, but those payers left as free agents. Saying that Tomlin can't evaluate talent is like blaming Cowher couldn't evaluate talent... because Cowher lost Yancey Thigpen & Chad Brown to free agency.
So in other words Tomlin is a good evaluator of talent, and his talented team is 2-5, losing to less talented teams, and getting worse, which proves Tomlin is a good coach how?
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So in other words Tomlin is a good evaluator of talent, and his talented team is 2-5 and getting worse, which proves Tomlin is a good coach how?
My post was in reference to a post saying that Tomlin was not a good evaluator of talent, citing the 2009 draft class. Hence, my previous post.

In reference to your query, there are a lot of factors that could be wrong, which explain the 2-5 start. Singling out one aspect is a practice in folly, with the coach being the easiest... but, not necessarily the most correct.

Singling out the QB is second-easiest.
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last week we were talking playoffs and winning super bowls

this week were firing tomlin and trading ben for some jock straps and a jugs machine..


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My post was in reference to a post saying that Tomlin was not a good evaluator of talent, citing the 2009 draft class. Hence, my previous post.

In reference to your query, there are a lot of factors that could be wrong, which explain the 2-5 start. Singling out one aspect is a practice in folly, with the coach being the easiest... but, not necessarily the most correct.

Singling out the QB is second-easiest.
Hell yes, there are other reasons that this team is 2-5, like not being able to score touchdowns in the redzone, not exploiting other team's weaknesses like they do to the Steelers, injuries, etc., but since this thread is dedicated to Tomlin, people are pointing to his role in the Steelers disappointing season.
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