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Old 10-30-2013, 08:23 PM   #1
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Default Patience for Tomlin? Yea or nay?

Originally Posted by Galax Steeler View Post
Ed Bouchette: Mike Tomlin has just as much say in who the Steelers draft as Kevin Colbert. That doesn't mean either is in jeopardy of losing that job.
I was having so much fun with this article earlier, that this little nugget of info went unnoticed by me. I find it noteworthy because this discussion has been going on quite a bit lately here, as well as with the Steeler fan friends I have. The main issue at hand is with Tomlin's abilities as a HC, but most fans I talk to would say Tomlin does not have much to do with the picks in the draft, and that perhaps it's Colbert's picks that have been lackluster, which explains our poor performance lately. I then counter with remembering quite vividly Bill Cowher personally making moves in the draft (a la Santonio) to get certain players, and assumed the same practice would be passed on to Tomlin, which it seems to have been. That is, unless Bouchette is totally wrong here, which I highly doubt is the case.

SO, it would then stand to reason, that the real culprit for our recent difficulties is not Tomlin's inability to sharpen, condition, and train the new talent (as I have alluded to being a possibility in the past, and maybe being something Cowher excelled at), and his game management skills, but rather he just plain sucks at picking new players.....as of yet.

Most importantly, I'm definitely not the first person to say this, but it bears repeating, as the same thing happened to Cowher after he first took over, way back in '92. His first few years as HC were largely successful, and no one questioned his abilities at all. However, slowly but surely, the team started to have issues, which were then followed by missing the playoffs, and then losing seasons. The immediate reaction by many fans (energetically including yours truly), was to jump to the conclusion that Cowher ran out of players that Noll drafted and trained, and is now mired in a sea of hacks because his ability to pick and train players plain sucks.......is this starting to sound familiar?

Now, we have 2 choices in front of us here, 1) We fire Tomlin after the season, let a different HC help pick new draftees, and run the risk of turning the organization into a revolving door that resembles the Browns endless train of shit. Or, 2) We afford the same patience to Tomlin that was afforded to Cowher (and assume the Rooneys know this already, and aren't wrong this time either), and we wait......hmm let me do the math.....7 more years for Tomlin to sharpen his picking skills, and field a team that will win the Super Bowl.

But also remember, Tomlin has had much better early success than Cowher did. He's been to 2 SBs, and won 1, of which Cowher's team only went once and lost. So, it stands to reason he may be able to right the ship faster than Cowher did. Additionally, there's no denying that Tomlin lacks clock management skills, and has some issues in the common sense department, but these negatives may not be game breakers when compared to his other skills. So after thinking this over, I'm going along with the Rooneys, and am all in for giving him the time, but does anyone else think he's capable? I could be very wrong here.
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Old 10-30-2013, 08:27 PM   #2
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Default Re: Patience for Tomlin? Yea or nay?

Mike won the big game. With Cowhers players or not (depending on the argument ) he deserves time.
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Default Re: Patience for Tomlin? Yea or nay?

I see that the Tomlin threads are starting to go the way of the Wallace ones of yore. Every thought gets a new one.
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How many NFL coaches have never had a losing season?
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Default Re: Patience for Tomlin? Yea or nay?

I say give him time. It's been a way that's worked for the Steelers in the past. I'm interested to see how this team rebuilds over the next few years.

I had always assumed that Colbert did most of the picking when it comes to the draft and am surprised to hear that Tomlin has as much input in the draft. That's mostly based off of Colbert having more experience in the matter.
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yes, obviously...
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The poll question and responses contain unfounded assumptions. Poor poll, poor post.
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Default Re: Patience for Tomlin? Yea or nay?

Are we going to have to make an "official" Mike Tomlin thread now, too? This is going exactly the same as it did with Wallace. We'll probably have 5 or 6 threads on the front every morning now. Here's your answers:

Mike Tomlin has never had a losing season as head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers. He's a Super-Bowl winning coach, and has been to two Super Bowl's as coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Comparison: It took Bill Cowher 13+ years and 3 losing seasons before he took us to a Super Bowl and walked away victorious, and he's regarded as one of the NFL coaching legends in most conversations today.

Conclusion: Mike Tomlin WILL be the coach of this team for a long time. Steelers had back-to-back losing seasons in 98 & 99 and followed it up with a winning season (barely). I think Mike Tomlin can turn this around, and deserves just as much as a chance as anyone considering what he's accomplished.

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I don't like comparing Tomlin with Cowher. In my humble but correct opinion it was a mistake to give Cowher so much time and so many chances. Worked out great for the Rooneys as the profits just kept rolling in but it was frustrating as hell for us fans. Therefore I don't want to give Tomlin all that time either.
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Depends on how the next couple of years play out. The Steelers haven't won fewer than six games since 1988, something they may be trending towards. A couple of years of that, combined with all the failed drafts, and I don't think Art II will have the same patience his father did.

If the outlook is as bleak two years from now, he's gone.
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