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Old 02-27-2014, 11:19 AM   #1111
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Default Re: Draft. What's our biggest need?

im with teegre...nix is the pick...but if the steelers choose to go another route...i hope it is defensive...for the first 3 rounds!!!
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Old 02-27-2014, 11:25 AM   #1112
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This isn't going to change until LeBeau is gone. I'm not pushing him out, but it's part of our scheme.
Yeah I just dont understand what he is thinking when we have our corners 10 yards off the receiver. Sure he can say he dont want us to give up the big play but offenses dont need to make the "big play" when all they got to do is throw check downs and slowly work there selfs down the field. I hope Butler switches up the scheme after next year, the 10 yards off the WRs gotta be thrown in the trash.

Draft Dennard an let him and Cortez shut down WRs for years to come

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Old 02-27-2014, 11:32 AM   #1113
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Yeah I just dont understand what he is thinking when we have our corners 10 yards off the receiver. Sure he can say he dont want us to give up the big play but offenses dont need to make the "big play" when all they got to do is throw check downs and slowly work there selfs down the field. I hope Butler switches up the scheme next year, the 10 yards off the WRs gotta be thrown in the trash.

Draft Dennard an let him and Cortez shut down WRs for years to come
agree with you completely! it is so frustrating watching it happen time and time again!
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Old 02-27-2014, 02:29 PM   #1114
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Yeah I just dont understand what he is thinking when we have our corners 10 yards off the receiver. Sure he can say he dont want us to give up the big play but offenses dont need to make the "big play" when all they got to do is throw check downs and slowly work there selfs down the field. I hope Butler switches up the scheme after next year, the 10 yards off the WRs gotta be thrown in the trash.

Draft Dennard an let him and Cortez shut down WRs for years to come
In LeBeau's defense, it worked well when he had stud OLBs. Here's why:

1. CBs: do not allow WRs to beat you deep.

2. Give up 3-4 yard receptions.

3. Even if teams move down the field, it takes ten plays to get to the red-zone.

4. Somewhere in those ten posts, the OLBs get a sack (or a strip sack), ending the drive.

IMO it's a solid defensive scheme.

That said, if Dennard were on the team, he's the one guy I'd allow to play press. Everyone else, they play zone.
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Old 02-27-2014, 02:35 PM   #1115
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In LeBeau's defense, it worked well when he had stud OLBs. Here's why:

1. CBs: do not allow WRs to beat you deep.

2. Give up 3-4 yard receptions.

3. Even if teams move down the field, it takes ten plays to get to the red-zone.

4. Somewhere in those ten posts, the OLBs get a sack (or a strip sack), ending the drive.

IMO it's a solid defensive scheme.

That said, if Dennard were on the team, he's the one guy I'd allow to play press. Everyone else, they play zone.
I mean I understand why we do it but sometimes it just doesn't work like when we play the Pats, Brady picks us a apart

"That said, if Dennard were on the team, he's the one guy I'd allow to play press. Everyone else, they play zone."


Yes I'd be fine with that.
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Old 02-27-2014, 03:54 PM   #1116
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I mean I understand why we do it but sometimes it just doesn't work like when we play the Pats, Brady picks us a apart

"That said, if Dennard were on the team, he's the one guy I'd allow to play press. Everyone else, they play zone."


Yes I'd be fine with that.
True... the Taperiots are LeBeau's Achilles heel. But, for the thirty other teams, it works beautifully.

Some teams just match up well against other teams: the Ravens have the Taperiots' number; the Taperiots own the Steelers; and, the Steelers always beat the Ravens when is matters.

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I'll let LeBeau know our plan for Dennard.
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Old 02-27-2014, 04:07 PM   #1117
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I know a lot of people are hoping for a tall WR, but the more I think about it the less I think this is a good idea. Sure, Ben would get his coveted tall WR finally and it would help the offense, but I feel that would be more of a luxury pick this year and we don't have the kind of team currently that can afford a luxury pick. I'd rather try to use Moye this year and see if he can develop into that guy. He's 6-5, 210 lbs according to the Steelers website. We have one already.

We have much more pressing issues on defense right now to take that luxury pick. We need a NT, CB, ILB, possibly DE, and safety. Too many holes there to waste one on offense early. The defense needs rebuilt. The offense showed signs of coming together well at the end of last season and we'll be getting some o-linemen back that will be coached up by Munchak which will be a huge boost there. Bell will have another offseason under his belt to progress and improve the offense and Wheaton will get his shot to replace Mike Wallace's speed on the outside.

I'll be somewhat disappointed if we aren't going all defense in the first 3 rounds or so IMO.
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Old 02-27-2014, 04:08 PM   #1118
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I know a lot of people are hoping for a tall WR, but the more I think about it the less I think this is a good idea. Sure, Ben would get his coveted tall WR finally and it would help the offense, but I feel that would be more of a luxury pick this year and we don't have the kind of team currently that can afford a luxury pick. I'd rather try to use Moye this year and see if he can develop into that guy. He's 6-5, 210 lbs according to the Steelers website. We have one already.

We have much more pressing issues on defense right now to take that luxury pick. We need a NT, CB, ILB, possibly DE, and safety. Too many holes there to waste one on offense early. The defense needs rebuilt. The offense showed signs of coming together well at the end of last season and we'll be getting some o-linemen back that will be coached up by Munchak which will be a huge boost there. Bell will have another offseason under his belt to progress and improve the offense and Wheaton will get his shot to replace Mike Wallace's speed on the outside.

I'll be somewhat disappointed if we aren't going all defense in the first 3 rounds or so IMO.
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Old 02-27-2014, 06:59 PM   #1119
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Taken from Steelers.com article, "Underwear Olympics".

There are three drills that historically have been significant indicators for cornerbacks: the 40-yard dash, the three-cone drill and the broad jump. History indicates that straight-line speed is the No. 1 attribute for successful cornerbacks, and the reason why is obvious. A cornerback who runs 4.65 is going to have serious issues trying to cover a wide receiver who runs 4.4, because it doesn’t matter if the defender has good ball skills or has studied tendencies or is excellent in playing down-and-distance. If the 4.65 cornerback doesn’t get a great pass rush to help him, the 4.4 receiver will smoke him over time. Cornerbacks who run slower than the 4.5s rarely have distinguished NFL careers.

Another drill of significance is the three-cone drill, which measures a player’s burst, and his abilities to change directions and to bend and turn. It shows whether a guy is a good athlete, and also if he’s a quick thinker. These are the skills that go into covering slant-routes, out-routes, go-routes. History shows that guys who run the drill in under 7.10 are the best bets to make it in the NFL.

The third drill to examine is the broad jump. According to one recent study of NFL personnel, about 72 percent of the league’s starting cornerbacks posted 10-2 or more in the broad jump.

Dennard measured in at 5-11, 199, and he posted a 4.51 in the 40. Gilbert is 6-0, 202, and he posted a 4.37, had a 35.5-inch vertical, and ran a 6.92 in the three-cone. Fuller is 6-0, 190, and he posted a 4.49, had a 38.5-inch vertical, and ran a 6.90 in the three-cone.

The measurables for safeties are allowed to come up short of the baselines for cornerbacks. Clinton-Dix, 6-1, 208, ran a 4.58 in the 40, had a 33-inch vertical, and a 7.16 in the three-cone; Bailey, 6-0, 201, ran a 4.66, posted a 34-inch vertical, and a 6.97 in the three-cone; and Calvin Pryor, 5-11, 207, ran a 4.58, and had a 34.5-inch vertical.
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How did you guys like Williams at ILB last season? I thought he played well with Timmons mostly, looked lost at times but I think he can move into Foote's spot pretty soon. And wasn't there some talk of Spence moving to safety when we drafted him?
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