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Old 02-18-2014, 08:55 PM   #871
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Default Re: Draft. What's our biggest need?

2014 NFL Mock Draft: Steelers upgrade defensive front seven with C. J. Mosley

By Neal Coolong on Feb 18 2014



Arguments can be made whether Mosley will be gone or available when the Steelers go on the clock. According to the opinion of one of the best draft writers around, Mosley will be there and the Steelers will be happy to have him.

Here's a clue. Nolan Nawrocki is a complete hack. If you didn't know that by now, shame on you. Greg Gabriel of the National Football Post, on the other hand, is a credible scout and evaluator first, pageviews and traffic driver second.

That could be why you may not have heard of him, while other cliche-spewers have over 50,000 followers on Twitter writing for massively huge sites but pose little to no real insight.

While Gabriel hasn't done a mock draft, if you're interested in a writer who gives a fair and unique assessment of a player without the slanted hype that comes with writers with little experience, he's a great read.

So is Josh Norris, a Rotoworld writer who spends a large amount of his time with draft-related information. Norris is a great mix of credible, entertaining and realistic - and I'm no longer sure which of these traits is the most important.

For all the mock drafts written indicating trades are involved (as if it's a selling point to read the column, not based in reality in the least), Norris is one of the few, if not the only, who points out how many first round picks were traded in the last two years - 14 in 2012 and seven in 2013. That's a huge amount, and it's also random.

Norris's most recent mock deals with trades, but he tempers expectations immediately. Combine that discretion with an outstanding overall body of work, Norris's stuff should be seen as legit and fair commentary.

Please note, I do not claim to be an expert on every teamís schemes and needs, but I do ask questions. As I say every year, if the draft was predictable we would not tune into the event. You should be surprised by some of these selections. The point is to work through scenarios and present options, not accuracy.

That's how someone (myself and other BTSC writers included) who does not have access to full film or does not speak with teams on a regular basis should approach their draft writing. Sadly, it falls far short of that, especially with the major web sites and publications. There's nothing wrong with venturing an educated guess, but ripping into the alleged character concerns of a player without any basis for doing so is a violation of ethics and a mark of low character on behalf of the writer.

Getting off the soapbox...Norris does a great job of presenting information first, generating opinion second.

He's sending Alabama linebacker C.J. Mosely to the Steelers at No. 15.

The Steelers should be locked in on the defensive side of the ball. Defensive back can be upgraded, but I think adding Mosley next to Lawrence Timmons would allow Troy Polamalu to play in the deeper portions of the field and keep everything in front. Mosley has always had the range and awareness in coverage, but he attacks blockers better than given credit for. The Sean Lee comparisons are real.

The question is only whether Mosley falls to 15. San Francisco LB Patrick Willis fell to 15 and he was a better athlete coming out of college than Mosley is. Having that dependable and outstanding middle-inside linebacker is an underrated component of a great defense, and one teams don't necessarily want to invest in, until they need it.

Mosley could end up simply being the best player available for the Steelers. Then again, he may not even be there. He's definitely a guy to watch on draft day.

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Old 02-18-2014, 08:58 PM   #872
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2014 NFL Mock Draft: Steelers upgrade defensive front seven with C. J. Mosley

By Neal Coolong on Feb 18 2014



Arguments can be made whether Mosley will be gone or available when the Steelers go on the clock. According to the opinion of one of the best draft writers around, Mosley will be there and the Steelers will be happy to have him.

Here's a clue. Nolan Nawrocki is a complete hack. If you didn't know that by now, shame on you. Greg Gabriel of the National Football Post, on the other hand, is a credible scout and evaluator first, pageviews and traffic driver second.

That could be why you may not have heard of him, while other cliche-spewers have over 50,000 followers on Twitter writing for massively huge sites but pose little to no real insight.

While Gabriel hasn't done a mock draft, if you're interested in a writer who gives a fair and unique assessment of a player without the slanted hype that comes with writers with little experience, he's a great read.

So is Josh Norris, a Rotoworld writer who spends a large amount of his time with draft-related information. Norris is a great mix of credible, entertaining and realistic - and I'm no longer sure which of these traits is the most important.

For all the mock drafts written indicating trades are involved (as if it's a selling point to read the column, not based in reality in the least), Norris is one of the few, if not the only, who points out how many first round picks were traded in the last two years - 14 in 2012 and seven in 2013. That's a huge amount, and it's also random.

Norris's most recent mock deals with trades, but he tempers expectations immediately. Combine that discretion with an outstanding overall body of work, Norris's stuff should be seen as legit and fair commentary.

Please note, I do not claim to be an expert on every teamís schemes and needs, but I do ask questions. As I say every year, if the draft was predictable we would not tune into the event. You should be surprised by some of these selections. The point is to work through scenarios and present options, not accuracy.

That's how someone (myself and other BTSC writers included) who does not have access to full film or does not speak with teams on a regular basis should approach their draft writing. Sadly, it falls far short of that, especially with the major web sites and publications. There's nothing wrong with venturing an educated guess, but ripping into the alleged character concerns of a player without any basis for doing so is a violation of ethics and a mark of low character on behalf of the writer.

Getting off the soapbox...Norris does a great job of presenting information first, generating opinion second.

He's sending Alabama linebacker C.J. Mosely to the Steelers at No. 15.

The Steelers should be locked in on the defensive side of the ball. Defensive back can be upgraded, but I think adding Mosley next to Lawrence Timmons would allow Troy Polamalu to play in the deeper portions of the field and keep everything in front. Mosley has always had the range and awareness in coverage, but he attacks blockers better than given credit for. The Sean Lee comparisons are real.

The question is only whether Mosley falls to 15. San Francisco LB Patrick Willis fell to 15 and he was a better athlete coming out of college than Mosley is. Having that dependable and outstanding middle-inside linebacker is an underrated component of a great defense, and one teams don't necessarily want to invest in, until they need it.

Mosley could end up simply being the best player available for the Steelers. Then again, he may not even be there. He's definitely a guy to watch on draft day.

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com...seven-with-c-j
Jarvis, Timmons, Mosley & Worilds
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If it is indeed Mosley, I propose this:

Jones - Timmons - Spence/Williams - Mosley
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Will Clarke from WVU is a guy that they're going to look at. He's from Pittsburgh and he's a one gap 3-4 DE which is more of what our scheme has been calling for as of late. Picture a taller, leaner, rawer Cameron Heyward. Similar type of player.
He was the best player at the East-West shrine game.

I could see him also being an OLB. He's a tweener: too small for DE, but too big for OLB. Either way is a late-round, developmental player... who can rush the passer.

In the meantime, he'd be a great rotational guy on passing downs.

(I've had him mocked (in the draft section) in R5.)
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He was the best player at the East-West shrine game.

I could see him also being an OLB. He's a tweener: too small for DE, but too big for OLB. Either way is a late-round, developmental player... who can rush the passer.

In the meantime, he'd be a great rotational guy on passing downs.

(I've had him mocked (in the draft section) in R5.)
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Ooo, I missed that. Good call.

I think he's in that same category as Kony Ealy as a tweener, but more on the DE side of the spectrum than OLB I think. He'd realistically only need to add 5 - 7 lbs to bulk up to that 280 lbs. range to be a legitimate DE. Think about having two players who fit the one gap 3-4 DE mold on the line matched up with Jarvis and whomever is playing on the left side. With maybe, just maybe, Mosley on the inside with LT.
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Ooo, I missed that. Good call.

I think he's in that same category as Kony Ealy as a tweener, but more on the DE side of the spectrum than OLB I think. He'd realistically only need to add 5 - 7 lbs to bulk up to that 280 lbs. range to be a legitimate DE. Think about having two players who fit the one gap 3-4 DE mold on the line matched up with Jarvis and whomever is playing on the left side. With maybe, just maybe, Mosley on the inside with LT.
That would be great if he could pull a Keisel (add 10 pounds, and still be effective). My fear is that he Vrabels (adds 10 pounds, when he should be losing 10 pounds).

Regardless, I'd love to see a "Cameron Heyward" on both sides.

(What are your thoughts on Mosley as an OLB?)
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If it is indeed Mosley, I propose this:

Jones - Timmons - Spence/Williams - Mosley
I'm not sure that we would view him as a OLB. Mosley reminds me of Timmons, Hes able to play outside but a better fit inside
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That would be great if he could pull a Keisel (add 10 pounds, and still be effective). My fear is that he Vrabels (adds 10 pounds, when he should be losing 10 pounds).

Regardless, I'd love to see a "Cameron Heyward" on both sides.

(What are your thoughts on Mosley as an OLB?)
I don't know if he'd have to add 10 pounds to be completely honest. As of this moment, he's 273 - 275. All he'd need is to get into that 280 pound range and we'd be good to go. I see what you're saying, though. I'd love to see two one gap 'Ends on this team playing alongside McLendon though. The pressure... good god.

As for Mosley, a 4-3 OLB? Absolutely. 3-4? I can't see it. I want to though, badly. I just can't see it. He's a bit undersized to play in the role at 237 lbs. and doesn't really possess any legitimate edge rush moves. His motor is impressive, but there's not a strong swim or counter move there. His speed and coverage ability is just too impressive to put him on the Outside. There's only a few teams that can have two Inside Linebackers/MLB & OLBs in on the field on passing downs. We could become one of those teams with Mosley and Timmons on the inside. Imagine that: keeping Polamalu at Safety.
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It still angers me Tomlin rolled with Evander Hood for so long when Heyward was clearly the better fit and player. Every time he was on the field it seemed he was getting more push and more disruption. We just wasted a majority of his rookie contract rotting on the bench.
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@SteelersCanada @BLACK_AND_YELLOW

Thank you. Timmons "can" play OLB, but he is much more effective as an ILB. Makes total sense.
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