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Old 01-01-2014, 12:18 PM   #21
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Default Re: I don't know what to think about Tomlin

There would be 10 times as many fumbles as there are in the league if a back lost the ball every time helmet found ball. A fumble is inexcusable, any fumble. Any dropped pass, any missed tackle, any errant throw, any missed block/assignment.

Mike Tomlin doesn't make excuses, he accepts responsibility and he expects it in return. If there's one man that can pull this back together its him. He proved to me as a fan early on he knows how to take a team (more than one individual) and make then winners. His players or not. Each season is different.
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I admit this is just my own personal "eye test" but I did feel like the Steelers were not properly prepared at the beginning of several games this season. We made good half time adjustments (which is a compliment to coaching)…however, if we just hadn't come out sleeping and dug huge holes we wouldn't have come up short against a number of teams…including the hapless Raiders and Vikings.
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Old 01-01-2014, 01:05 PM   #23
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It changed the momentum in that game completely. Up until that point in the second half, the Packers couldn't stop the offense. The defense was keeping Rodgers off the field in quick three and outs, and we were driving. Then, Mendenhall fumbled and the momentum went back into the Packers' favor. Was that the sole reason why we lost? Obviously not, but it was a big reason why the Packers were able to put us away.
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I'm not disputing the plays impact, but I dispute the charge that 1. Mendenhall showed a lack of ball security fundamentals on the play and 2. That the play was the sole reason we lost
It makes no sense to make that accusation to me, since we don't know what would happen if we wiped away that fumble...using the "1 means all" logic you could say "we would have won if Ben didn't throw that pick six" but you can't blame it all on that play either.

I also remember our defense getting bailed out by a couple big drops in the second half. Our defense was getting stops, but it wasn't really in an impressive way (plus we couldn't get the ball back fast enough when it really counted, letting the packers add a Fg and kill clock late in the 4th quarter)
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Old 01-01-2014, 01:18 PM   #24
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My issue is the slow development of players and his commitment to
Lebeau based on past accomplishments.
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We are not the freakin Cleveland Clowns that's why the Rooney's don't fire head coaches like that. They don't listen to the fans. Sometimes teams have bad years. When Cowher or Noll had bad years no one said they weren't prepared or that they had lost the locker room because they were hard nosed coaches. I think Tomlin, unfortunately for where the NFL is heading, is a players coach. I know we don't like hearing that but it seems like the way the league is now so it is time to accept it. I love how we ended the season. We struggled in the beginning of the year because we had no RB's that could get it done and our Oline was a mess. That was not foreseen. I think they thought they had a decent Oline coming into the year. They did a helluva job replacing an all pro in Pouncey and picking up a guy off of the street in Velasco and helping him become a starter again. I don't whole heartedly endorse Tomlin because I am not sure either but I cant bash him either. A 1-1 record in SB's is pretty damn good. That's what I know.
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It's pretty silly that people are still blaming the entire loss against GB against Mendenhall or act like he was being careless with the football even...he was holding the ball pretty securely, Matthews just squared him up and got his helmet on the ball perfectly, most running backs aren't going to be able to hold onto a hit like that...the beloved Jerome Bettis couldn't either and it nearly wiped out a Herculean effort by the team against Indianapolis in 2005 and most fans have seem to forgiven that...

Against GB Ben threw 2 INTs and missed a number of throws, the pass defense had no answer for Rogers or Jordy Nelson all day (the GB receivers were our best defense that day, dropping 4 or 5 crucial passes) but you're sure the only thing that stopped the team from winning that 60 minute football game was Rashard Mendenhall's alleged lapse of football fundamental on one play....O.K.ay...
We were moving the ball down the field and we were in a position to take the lead. It's the ONE time that you absolutely have to lock the ball up with two hands and you can't afford to fumble the ball. Watch the replay, Mendenhall was clearly cradling the ball in his right arm only.



It was a stupid mistake. It wasn't as if he couldn't see the two Packers bearing down on him.
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I also think theres a heightened level of frustration because people dont want to see Bens last years wasted...Now maybe Ben should carry more of the blame/burden with Tomlin, but we cant just expect to find another franchise qb once Ben is gone. The Steelers cant be wasting another 2-3 years of 8-8 and no playoffs
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Imho - I can't see how we can start looking for BB replacement just yet.

1. We've drafted Jones, and have no idea what we have with him yet.
2. There's just too many other needs to go high-med with a QB

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Mike Tomlin (71-41) (5-3 in the playoffs) (1-1 in the Superbowl)
B. Cowher 71-41, 5-6, 0-1
Chuck Noll - 55-42, 9-2, 2-0
Tomlin has his own strengths and weaknesses but if you are comparing accomplishments its fair to include the qb, who is crucial in the teams success.

Mike Tomlin 71-41 with Ben Roethlisberger (all 7 years)

B. Cowher 71-41 with Bubby Brister, Neil O'Donnell, Kordell Stewart and Mike Tomczak

Chuck Noll - 55-42 with Terry Bradshaw (6 of the 7 years)
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Tomlin has his own strengths and weaknesses but if you are comparing accomplishments its fair to include the qb, who is crucial in the teams success.

Mike Tomlin 71-41 with Ben Roethlisberger (all 7 years)

B. Cowher 71-41 with Bubby Brister, Neil O'Donnell, Kordell Stewart and Mike Tomczak

Chuck Noll - 55-42 with Terry Bradshaw (6 of the 7 years)
Cowher passed on Brees, and wanted to pass on BB.

Cowher's philosophy was to win with defense, an O-line & a RB... and a serviceable QB.

It almost worked.
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