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Old 01-04-2014, 06:29 PM   #21
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Default Re: What should Ben's contract be?

Pay em what he can negotiate, I'm an former union boss. If he bargains for and gets 100 mil, so be it. I find if interesting that some who think that where the other positions are concerned, they Steelers should never do what they consider overpay. But in this instance they're making concessions.

Cuttler and many other QBs (non- SB winners) are the reason for the huge salary increases the last few years.
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Old 01-04-2014, 09:27 PM   #22
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I think each player should get $5000 a game and at the end of the season each player gets evaluated and paid by the performance he has done on the field. To many fat cats in this game and the seats will continue to be more vacant as the years roll by.
That's hardly fair to the players. Between concussions and broken necks you can make an argument that these guys risk their lives. Most players have a span of 6-8 years and they have to sustain their families the rest of their lives on 6-8 years of playing.

Right now the owners have all the power when it comes to salaries, and you want to give them more?
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Old 01-05-2014, 05:51 AM   #23
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That's hardly fair to the players. Between concussions and broken necks you can make an argument that these guys risk their lives. Most players have a span of 6-8 years and they have to sustain their families the rest of their lives on 6-8 years of playing.

Right now the owners have all the power when it comes to salaries, and you want to give them more?
these guys are gladiators that should be rewarded as world-renown entertainers for billion dollar organizations - but, I think with more club control and less league control - you would see higher caps AND I think clubs should be able to have more lax rules on where and who their spending money comes from. Look at the moves the Rooneys had to make because of Adolf Goodell. I'm also for expanded rosters, and higher roster minimum - I think a minimum 75k/game would help out a ton of guys who are on the roster but not necessarily starting while helping aging vets who can no longer get the big money contract (Cotchery would be more likely to sign a vet minimum at 1.2 mil and keep in mind this would be with a higher cap) - teams could be kept together for longer and I think we'd see a better product on the field and more competitive franchises.
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Old 01-05-2014, 07:22 AM   #24
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That's hardly fair to the players. Between concussions and broken necks you can make an argument that these guys risk their lives. Most players have a span of 6-8 years and they have to sustain their families the rest of their lives on 6-8 years of playing.

Right now the owners have all the power when it comes to salaries, and you want to give them more?
It would also lead to more selfish play, and destroy the team concept everyone is trying to cultivate. The game would get very cutthroat, with players constantly trying to pad their own stats, with little regard for winning. The NFL would suffer for it, and even less money would be available to pay players.

That system can't work.
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Default Re: What should Ben's contract be?

He should be right there with Rodgers, Brees, Peyton. He should not be with Romo, Cutler, Flacco, Ryan, Eli etc. But for him to be paid less than Flacco(dilfer2013) would be insulting.

But how do you pay for it, since our cap is so F'ed up?
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Hopefully Ben looks at what Flaccid did in B-More and realizes if he wants all the money, then he will have to deal with the entire team being let go. Hopefully he goes the route of Tom Brady and works with the team to keep them flexible to continue to compete.
Flacco's cap hit actually is lower than Brady this season.

Flacco: $6.8M
Brady: $13.8M

Flacco is not the reason that the entire team being let go.
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That's hardly fair to the players. Between concussions and broken necks you can make an argument that these guys risk their lives. Most players have a span of 6-8 years and they have to sustain their families the rest of their lives on 6-8 years of playing.

Right now the owners have all the power when it comes to salaries, and you want to give them more?
I think there should be a position cap in place underneath the overall team cap.

Say a WR has a position cap of $5 million. However, on top of the cap number of the WR there are also performance incentives. Say 1,500 for every yard gained during the season. 25,000 for every 100 yard game. 50,000 for every touchdown scored. 250,000 for a 1,000 yard season.

Here are what the cap numbers would look like between Brown and Wallace alongside their actual cap number for the season. Both have similar cap numbers in 2013, but in 2014 they are not. So for this example I will put their 2013 stats against their 2014 cap number.

Brown (actual cap 8,470,000)
110 1499 8

Performance based cap would be 125,000 for 5 100y games. 450,000 for 9 TD's. 2886000 for 1924 total yards. 250,000 for 1,000 yard season. Total pay on the season would be 8,711,000.

Wallace (actual cap 17,250,000)
73 930 5

Performance based cap would be 100,000 for 4 100y games. 250,000 for 5 TD's. 1395000 for 930 yards. Total pay on the season would be 6,745,000.

As you can see, both players would be paid adequately according to their performance. It would keep teams from getting locked into ridiculous contract's with underperformers. Plus on top of that, players would be able to sign with a team they would actually not mind playing for instead of just going to the highest bidder.

If the NFL really wants parity across the league, this would do that even more so than what they have now.
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Flacco's cap hit actually is lower than Brady this season.

Flacco: $6.8M
Brady: $13.8M

Flacco is not the reason that the entire team being let go.
Ravens literally lost half their core players this year.
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Default Re: What should Ben's contract be?

I definetly wouldn't over pay, he can't carry the team by himself. Pay him a ton of money (or the so call Position equivalent in the league) and enjoy 8-8 seasons for the rest of his career. You have to have multiple good players and that takes money to spread around.
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Ravens literally lost half their core players this year.
Yet Flacco's cap hit is much lower than Brady this season and lots of people think Brady took a friendly deal. There is no direct correlation between cap hit and contract amount. It really depends on how you structure the deal.
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