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Old 01-12-2014, 04:06 PM   #11
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Default Re: Ben is he or will he pass Bradshaw has best Steelers QB

Ben has done more with less than I think Terry could have. I still stand by my opinion that if Ben had played with that '70s team, he may have won almost twice the rings.
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Ben has done more with less than I think Terry could have. I still stand by my opinion that if Ben had played with that '70s team, he may have won almost twice the rings.
Slow your roll on that playa, if Ben held the ball as much as he does back then, he gets knock the fuck out of the game more.

The schemes, preparation, and player protections are better today which skews things a bit. That was a very different era. You didn't have a 5 yard cushion for WRs either, so we're basically debating an apple vs an orange.
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Old 01-12-2014, 05:14 PM   #13
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It's hard to compare guys who played in different generations, but if we're going by skill it has to be Roethlisberger.
Skill?.. Bradshaw ran a 4.5 40yrd dash.. He had a much better arm then Mr. Rothlesberger too...
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Skill?.. Bradshaw ran a 4.5 40yrd dash.. He had a much better arm then Mr. Rothlesberger too...
Does that mean Michael Vick is better than Bradshaw?
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Skill?.. Bradshaw ran a 4.5 40yrd dash.. He had a much better arm then Mr. Rothlesberger too...
Uh... are you talking about arm strength or accuracy? I guess it doesn't matter since Bradshaw wasn't better than Roethlisberger is either.

The question is hard because it's who's better - the guy that's already in the hall of fame or the guy who's headed there when he stops playing.
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Default Re: Ben is he or will he pass Bradshaw has best Steelers QB

Ben's completion percentage is much better than Bradshaws, but Terry had the best deep ball I ever seen and would take his over any one else. As far as holding the ball, first we were a run first team and pretty damn good at it during the 70's, second he had a pretty good line, and finally we had Stallworth and Swan. Ben would of done very well on that 70's team. The trouble with these what if scenarios is it is all conjecture and speculation.
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Old 01-12-2014, 09:28 PM   #17
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Bradshaw was on a team with 9 other Hall of Famers (including Noll). The only Hall of Famers to play with Ben have been Polamalu and Ward (even if Bettis gets in, he was only on the team for 2 years, and at the tail end of his career at that).

Ben has absolutely massacred most of Bradshaw's career, single season, and single game records. I know it's a different era and all but we're talking about Ben maybe (by the end of his career) putting up twice as many yards and TD's as Bradshaw, and a 12% higher completion percentage with the same amount of INTs. Also, he's only 12 regular season wins as a starter away from tying Bradshaw (a mark I would be shocked if he didn't break).

In conclusion, Ben is currently on the 7th longest streak of games with a TD pass in NFL history, is top 15 all-time in passer rating, yards per attempt, completion percentage, game-winning drives, passing yards per game, and 4th quarter comebacks. I just think it's bogus to be blind of all that and only count Super Bowls.
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Bradshaw has more SB wins, so some people believe that to be proof that he was the better QB. Using that argument, Flacco is a better QB than Dan Marino, Doug Williams was better than Fran Tarkenton, etc.

Bradshaw was benched during the '74 season (our first SB team), and wasn't nearly as effective as Joe Gilliam. If he hadn't gotten injured, Gilliam would have played in our 1st SB instead of Bradshaw.

I'm not trying to belittle Bradshaw, but he downright sucked until he had elite receivers and a great line. Although Ben had a good receiving corps throughout his career, he's been playing with a less than stellar line.

Others in this thread have pointed out that it's like comparing apples to oranges, due to different eras and rules, but it's also comparing apples to oranges when they had different supporting casts. I think that the only agreement on this board is that Ben would be a better fit for this team than Bradshaws 30 year old clone would be.

I'm still waiting for the Mike Webster VS Dermonti Dawson thread.
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Default Re: Ben is he or will he pass Bradshaw has best Steelers QB

Also, if we are going to bring up the "different era" argument to justify Bradshaw's mediocre stats, here's a complete list of all the QBs who played in a prior era or the same era and put up a better passer rating:

NOTE: I am not claiming these guys are better than Bradshaw, just that efficient/successful passing was not nearly as impossible in this period as some would suggest.

Otto Graham
Roger Staubach
Sonny Jurgensen
Len Dawson
Ken Anderson
Danny White
Bart Starr
Fran Tarkenton
Dan Fouts
Bert Jones
Johnny Unitas
Frank Ryan
Joe Theismann
Bob Berry
Bob Griese
Gary Danielson
Steve Bartkowski
Ken Stabler
Norm Van Brocklin
Sid Luckman
Don Meredith
Brian Sipe
Roman Gabriel
YA Tittle
Earl Morrall
Craig Morton
Frankie Albert
Daryle Lamonica
Greg Landry
Ron Jaworski
John Brodie
Billy Wade
Milt Plum
Sammy Baugh
Billy Kilmer
Bill Munson
Lynn Dickey
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Also, if we are going to bring up the "different era" argument to justify Bradshaw's mediocre stats, here's a complete list of all the QBs who played in a prior era or the same era and put up a better passer rating:

NOTE: I am not claiming these guys are better than Bradshaw, just that efficient/successful passing was not nearly as impossible in this period as some would suggest.

Otto Graham
Roger Staubach
Sonny Jurgensen
Len Dawson
Ken Anderson
Danny White
Bart Starr
Fran Tarkenton
Dan Fouts
Bert Jones
Johnny Unitas
Frank Ryan
Joe Theismann
Bob Berry
Bob Griese
Gary Danielson
Steve Bartkowski
Ken Stabler
Norm Van Brocklin
Sid Luckman
Don Meredith
Brian Sipe
Roman Gabriel
YA Tittle
Earl Morrall
Craig Morton
Frankie Albert
Daryle Lamonica
Greg Landry
Ron Jaworski
John Brodie
Billy Wade
Milt Plum
Sammy Baugh
Billy Kilmer
Bill Munson
Lynn Dickey
You guys seem to miss the points that some of us are making and there are more important things in football than stats. The most important of which is winning and winning championships trumps. I think that the object of playing the game, isn't it?

Fact of the matter is that Bradshaw played QB on great Steeler TEAMS who won all the marbles 4 times. You can't take that away from the guy nor the TEAM that he played with. We also can't take away BB's accomplishments either, but we're talking about two very different environments for playing football. Keep the stats, give me the hardware with decent stats that showed I did my job.
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