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Old 01-22-2014, 07:14 AM   #111
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If we're going to throw around comparisons to Roethlisberger, what about comparing a Brady led offense to a Ben led offense? Does anyone here think that Brady wins jack shit behind a Steelers o-line from the past decade? I don't. He's benefitted greatly from some of the best o-lines in football protecting him. Watch Brady sometime when he's under pressure. He folds like a cheap Walmart tent. He either curls up in the fetal position and drops to the ground to avoid a hit or throws the football away like a 9 year old girl who's just been handed a live toad. No attempt to avoid the sack or shake a defender, just pure bitch.

And trying to make a point that Ben choked against Tebow in the playoffs is just wrong. Our secondary choked that game away, not Ben. The defense went in with a game plan of stopping Teblow from running and forcing him to beat them through the air which he was mostly incapable of doing up to that point (and afterwards for that matter). Unfortunately, Mister Christian apparently made a one-day deal with the devil and was given the ability to throw for a day and it torched us. The defense never adjusted knowing he was hot and got burned for it. Not Ben's fault.

Brady, to me, is a glorified system QB/game manager who's had the benefit of great o-lines, a solid system, and some help from a cheating head coach. Put him on almost any other team and he'd become human very quickly. I'd take Ben over him 10 out of 10 times.
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Old 01-22-2014, 11:35 AM   #112
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Default Re: Tom Brady = choker. Cant win the big game

The perspective from Boston on the Pats' decline

Bill Belichick obviously hates Wes Welker

A day later, some clarity.

We know for sure now that Bill Belichick hates Wes Welker with the power of 1,000 suns. Belichick blames Welker for dropping a pass that cost him a Super Bowl ring two years ago. He didn’t like Welker's foot jokes about Rex Ryan and he didn’t like Welker saying, “It’s always nice to stick it in Bill’s face.’’

He didn’t push to keep Welker here after last season. He and his bosses set a “value” for Welker's position, let him walk, rejoiced when their market evaluation proved correct, then charged the Kraft family’s sizable media cartel with the task of selling the decision as a sound “football” move. They gave Welker's money to Danny Amendola and effectively gave Welker's job to Julian Edelman.

It was all working out pretty well when Welker messed up a punt play that enabled the Patriots to complete their amazing 34-31 comeback victory at Gillette Stadium in November.

But Sunday at Mile High was a disaster for the Patriot plan. The myth of the Patriots’ brilliance and greatness had fooled a lot of folks into believing that a depleted, quite ordinary team was going back to the Super Bowl.

But then the game started, and it was obvious. Tom Brady had no one to throw the ball to. Amendola, the man who replaced Welker, was targeted only once and dropped the throw, a no-show performance that would put the Celtics’ Jeff Green to shame. Meanwhile, Welker — Peyton Manning’s fourth option in the Broncos’ pinball offense — caught four passes for 38 yards.

Welker also took Aqib Talib out of the game with a pick-play block.

And now Belichick hates him more than ever.

After Sunday’s demolition, Belichick said Welker's play was “a key play in the game.’’

Monday morning in Foxborough, Belichick downgraded his assessment to this: “One of the worst plays I’ve seen.’’ Hoodie termed Welker's hit “a deliberate play by the receiver to take out Aqib . . . no attempt to get open. I’ll let the league handle the discipline.’’

There may not be any discipline from the NFL. Some would argue that the Patriots make this kind of play routinely (there’s video of Edelman making a similar hit Sunday), and that it’s impossible to assign intent, but that doesn’t matter anymore in Foxborough. It doesn’t sound as though Belichick will be in any mood to hear Bob Kraft lobbying for Welker to have a spot in the Patriots Hall of Fame.

Losing Talib was the key moment of last year’s AFC Championship loss at Gillette against Baltimore, and it was the same deal Sunday in Denver. The Patriots’ plan was to have Talib mugging Denver receivers at the line of scrimmage, but that plan was taken away by Welker. The Patriots simply didn’t have enough talent on the field to stay with Denver. The Patriots had nothing on this day and were lucky they weren’t beaten, 35-7.

“I wish we could have done a little better job today, especially me,’’ said the coach.

He sounded deflated Monday. And this is deflating. The Patriots are sliding backward. Losing back-to-back AFC Championships is not a demonstration of a team on the rise. The 1974-76 Raiders are the last team to get to a Super Bowl after losing back-to-back conference championship games.

Brady is getting older and the Patriots are vulnerable.

The Patriots have become the 1990s Atlanta Braves. They play in an easy division, take care of business during the regular season, then get punched in the mouth and go home in the playoffs.

A long time ago, in the days before the Super Bowl, the NFL played a consolation game featuring the two second-place teams. It was sort of a junior varsity championship game. Close your eyes and try to imagine what would happen if these Patriots had to play the San Francisco 49ers next weekend.

New England was by far the fourth of the final four teams in the tournament. There’s no disgrace in getting to the final four, but the notion that the Patriots had a chance with their ordinary people after everything that had happened to this team was preposterous.

Belichick has been unusually contrite these last couple of days. Sunday he talked of “mistakes, especially by me,’’ and Monday he said, “Nobody makes more mistakes around here than I do.’’

Everyone forgives you, Bill. You took this team much further than it deserved to go. But some of the mistakes were made last spring and summer. And letting Welker go was one of those mistakes.

He’s going to the Super Bowl. And the Patriots are picking up pieces of their broken luck. Again.


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Old 01-22-2014, 11:41 AM   #113
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Default Re: Tom Brady = choker. Cant win the big game

Another take down of the paper tiger Pats by the Boston writer

Championship days are all over for the Patriots

So there. In the end, it was about talent and merit, instead of myth and legacy. It turns out that an appearance in the Super Bowl is not an entitlement.

In the end, the overachieving, house-of-cards Patriots were simply not good enough to go to the Meadowlands for Super Bowl XLVIII. Not even close. The amazing part is that a lot of folks actually believed this team was going back to the big game.

Livin’ on a Prayer. Indeed.

Finally standing up for themselves in the big moment, the Denver Broncos thoroughly dominated the Patriots in Sunday’s AFC Championship game. The final score was a mere 26-16, but we all know the truth. This was a brutal beatdown in every phase of the game, a particularly ugly scrum that failed to live up to its immense hype.

Let’s acknowledge up front that this was a terrific Patriots season. Despite wholesale attrition and an obvious dearth of great players, the Patriots managed to win 13 games and advance to the NFL’s final four. They got themselves to within 60 minutes of an eighth trip to the Super Bowl. They engineered many dramatic comebacks. They were the embodiment of Team Above Self, Next Man Up, and all those other slogans that fit on the wall of every high school locker room in the nation.

Swell. But Sunday’s annihilation at Mile High was merely the latest demonstration that the Super Bowl championship days are long gone in Foxborough. In the Andy Warhol Division, which features starting quarterbacks Thad Lewis, Geno Smith, and Ryan Tannehill, the Patriots can continue to qualify for the playoffs with the first-round bye and the second-round home game. They can do things that folks in Cleveland and Detroit (one playoff victory since 1957) can only dream about.

But they are not good enough to win championships. When you have a roster of smurf wideouts, young defenders, undrafted free agents, and guys cut loose by other teams, eventually you come up against somebody with better players, somebody who is not going to wet his pants at the sight of Bill Belichick and Tom Brady. It happens every year. Sometimes earlier than others.

Four years ago, it was Ray Rice and John Harbaugh (Ravens, 33-14). Three years ago, it was Rex Ryan and Mark Sanchez (Jets, 28-21) in Foxborough. Two years ago, it was Tom Coughlin and Eli Manning (Giants, 21-17) in the Super Bowl. Last year, it was those dastardly Ravens again (28-13).

On Sunday, it was Peyton Manning and John Fox.

Fox did what he needed to do at the start of the slaughter. He made the Patriots take the ball. He served notice that he’s been paying attention and New England was going to do something it did not want to do. He blocked Belichick’s double-score strategy and took it all for himself.

Manning did the rest. He too often settled for 3 points when he could have had 7, but he carved up Belichick’s smoke-and-mirrors defense for 400 passing yards. He completed 32 of 43 throws. Two touchdowns. No interceptions. He passed every test on a day when Patriots fans were waiting for him to choke. He still needs to win a second Super Bowl to cement his legacy, but he smothered the demons of Belichick Past. He’s now 2-2 against Belichick and Brady in the playoffs. He’s beaten them in two consecutive AFC Championship game meetings. He hasn’t lost to the Patriots in the playoffs since January 2005. We’re going to have to put “Bill is in Peyton’s head” to rest.

Golden Child Brady is another matter. We all love Tom, but he was pretty dreadful Sunday. He badly overthrew Julian Edelman on a certain touchdown pass at the end of the first quarter. He lacked legitimate NFL targets (where’s Reche Caldwell when you need him?), but didn’t get his team into the end zone until the sixth minute of the final quarter. When it was 23-3.

“I wish I could have done more to help us,’’ Brady said, wistfully.

Brady’s now 2-4 at Mile High. He has lost six of his last 10 playoff games. Since the 10-0 start, he’s 8-8 in the playoffs.

Oh, and remember LaGarrette Blount? Sports Illustrated cover guy? The new Earl Campbell? The man who ran for 189 yards, then 166 yards in the Patriots’ last two games? Perhaps Blount’s success — like the success of the 2013 Patriots — was owed to the caliber of the competition. Blount’s big games came against the Bills and the Colts. On Sunday, he carried the ball five times and gained 6 yards.

There will be gnashing of teeth over Wes Welker’s second-quarter hit on Aqib Talib (illegal/dirty pick play, not called) which took the Patriots’ best defender out of the game.

“It was a key play in the game,’’ said an agitated Belichick.

The fact that Welker is the man who delivered the hit only makes things worse for Belichick and Patriots owner Bob Kraft. The Patriots pushed Welker out of town, replaced him with the Carl Crawford-esque Danny Amendola (one target Sunday, one drop), and relied on the Kraft family media cartel to tell you that they were better off without the rugged slot receiver.

Now Wes Welker is going to the Super Bowl and the Patriots are stuck in neutral. They are good. But not great. And the proverbial window is closing for Brady.

The Patriots have spoiled us with their success. But they are limited. They are artificially inflated by the AFC East and their dominance at Gillette.

They haven’t won a road playoff game in seven years and when they get to the end of next season, they will not have won a Super Bowl for 10 years.

They provide a lot of thrills and give fans a great ride every season, but they’ve become prisoners of the standard they set 10 years ago when they could win big games against good teams in January.

Not anymore
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There may not be any discipline from the NFL.
Uh, no - there will be. Guaranteed. Even though there was absolutely nothing deliberate or dirty about it.
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Uh, no - there will be. Guaranteed. Even though there was absolutely nothing deliberate or dirty about it.
Anyone know what the time line is for imposing player discipline after a game?

Cannot imagine Roger wants to impose a fine that makes Hoodie's allegations more of a talking point during Super Bowl week.
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Anyone know what the time line is for imposing player discipline after a game?

Cannot imagine Roger wants to impose a fine that makes Hoodie's allegations more of a talking point during Super Bowl week.
End of the week. I think the only thing that's really in question here is the actual amount.

And as far as controversial talking points go, SB week didn't exactly stop the jackass from dredging up Milledgeville all over again while simultaneously praising Michael Vick for "sincerely trying" and cooing about how "cool" it would be if Vick won a Super Bowl MVP back in 2011.

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if i didnt know any better i would think i wrote the 2 articles listed above.

so basically what the author is saying is that tom brady and the patriots choked and have been choking for years.

im glad the author noted their inflated stats vs the weak afc east and was able to name their starting qb's.

i wonder if he knows the longest tenured afc east qb during bradys 13 year career?

definitely gotta be future HOFer chad pennington if you add his miami starts to the jets.

after that mark sanchez maybe? fitzpatrick?
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BB has played like a rookie, has an amazing run, got shafted in Jacksonville, had an amazing drive to end an amazing season, lost XLV, and lost to Tebow.
Picking nits here...

BR7 threw two or three picks (including a pick-six) in that game. How did he get shafted?
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Picking nits here...

BR7 threw two or three picks (including a pick-six) in that game. How did he get shafted?
Awful first half, great second half.

Robbed: James Harrison got tackled on third down... and David Gerrard scampered for 29 yards.
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Awful first half, great second half.

Robbed: James Harrison got tackled on third down... and David Gerrard scampered for 29 yards.
Eh, I guess.

I always contend that if he didn't play like crap then the holding call/missed 2 pointer wouldn't have mattered.
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