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Old 01-25-2014, 03:47 PM   #11
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Rather non-chalantly, Bill Barnwell mentioned in his latest column how one Lawrence Timmons was only one of less than 10 LBs to play every defensive snap.

If that's not 'heart'...
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Lambert only lacked weight. He had the height, speed, range, intensity, agility, strength and intelligence to go along with his leadership quality.
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"Heart" doesn't win championships. Tangible talent does. When you have both of these things, you have an elite team. Give me work ethic, measurable's and a dedicated player over one who really, really wants it and has a lot to prove.

The best example that I can give you in this draft would be Justin Gilbert > Lamarcus Joyner. Better tangible assets.
Heart can inspire talent.

Joe Greene told a story about being inspired by Rocky Bleier. After a rough practice, he & a bunch of other players were complaining about being sore & overworked... when they walked into the training room, and say a black & blue (literally) Bleier being worked on by the training staff.

Greene said that if Rocky wasn't complaining, then he sure as heck wasn't about to.

Greene has averred that Bleier made a huge difference between those teams being "great" and being "all-time great."
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Old 01-26-2014, 12:28 AM   #14
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Heart can inspire talent.

Joe Greene told a story about being inspired by Rocky Bleier. After a rough practice, he & a bunch of other players were complaining about being sore & overworked... when they walked into the training room, and say a black & blue (literally) Bleier being worked on by the training staff.

Greene said that if Rocky wasn't complaining, then he sure as heck wasn't about to.

Greene has averred that Bleier made a huge difference between those teams being "great" and being "all-time great."
Rocky was a freakin soldier who fought for his country and almost died with shrapnel in his leg. As awesome as Joe Greene and Jack Lambert were, no one on that team held a candle to Rocky.
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Old 01-26-2014, 12:30 AM   #15
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Rocky was a freakin soldier who fought for his country and almost died with shrapnel in his leg. As awesome as Joe Greene and Jack Lambert were, no one on that team held a candle to Rocky.
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I agree, but there still has to be some level of talent/skills/physical tools factored into the equation. The heart, drive, positive mentality, football smarts, and work ethic of a player can make:

1.) a bad player serviceable
2.) a serviceable player good
3.) a good player great
4.) a great player a pro bowler
5.) a pro bowler a Hall of Famer

#1 and #2 can fill out the depth chart and be backups or even starters. #3 can get you a solid starter and possibly playoff bound. #4 and #5 can win you Super Bowls with the right mix around them. You just need to find the right balance for what you need. A player with all the physical tools and skills in the world can still be a great player, even a pro bowler, but the right intangibles can elevate them to Hall of Fame status.
Totally agree. That's why I said that the player still has to have talent to play the game. But, to me the difference between some one who will get drafted and not stay in the league very long and some one who will be a pro bowler is the fact that the player is "a football player". How many #1 picks have you seen that have the talent but are not " a football player" and bomb out very quickly? Too many in my opinion. Then you have guys who are drafted in lower rounds but have that quality and turn out to be future pro bowlers.
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Totally agree. That's why I said that the player still has to have talent to play the game. But, to me the difference between some one who will get drafted and not stay in the league very long and some one who will be a pro bowler is the fact that the player is "a football player". How many #1 picks have you seen that have the talent but are not " a football player" and bomb out very quickly? Too many in my opinion. Then you have guys who are drafted in lower rounds but have that quality and turn out to be future pro bowlers.
Agreed. You definitely want guys who know how to play the game and have the heart and desire to push themselves to the next level. Guys who rest on their past achievements and name alone, and display an entitled attitude, usually don't succeed in this league. At least not to the level that is expected of them.
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Well, if you think about it this way, to even get into the draft you have to have the tools to play in the NFL. So the 7th round guys may not have all the tools to be Megatron, but they have some. So I would draft heart over tools anyday (given everyone in the draft has some tools). Also, alot of the players people remember are of 2 molds - the ones with all the tools to be dominant and live up to the potential and the ones how dont have all the tools, but have the heart to be truly successful in this game. AB is one of the latter, and I imagine he will be remembered for a long time. Ward is another.
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Plenty of our players have heart. I'd like to see one or two who have an attitude. Someone who's gonna get in everyone's face and challenge them. Someone who's gonna make the fans cringe with billboard material.
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1st 2 rounds you'll be looking for players with the tools and heart in the later rounds your looking for players with heart to over come the fact they don't have the tool but still want to make it in the NFL.
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