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Old 01-28-2014, 11:36 AM   #11
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Default Re: Cowher praises Bettis by knocking his quarterbacks

Having a bad quarterback helps runningbacks stats and vice versa because the game is in their hands.

How many great RBs did Peyton Manning have? Tom Brady? Drew Brees? Dan Marino? hmm...

How many great QBs did AP have? Jamaal Charles? Barry Sanders? hmm...

Why people fail to understand this is mind boggling.
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Default Re: Cowher praises Bettis by knocking his quarterbacks

So how does Cowher explain "The Tackle" by Ben Roethlisberger which saved Bettis's ass and moved them forward to eventually win him a Super Bowl?

Or the fact that the Rooneys have always wanted ,and still do want, a successful running game?

Hmmm?
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But Cowher could name them, and coming from his perspective, I'm just surprised to see him willing to be so quick to put down the people who played under him.

EDIT: I guess I just hold Cowher in such high esteem I'm just surprised to hear him say this, like I say though, I guess it just shows how much he thinks of Bettis
Read the article and look at what is in "quotations" and what is not. Cowher never called out those guys, the columnist did.

All the fans that complain about Cowherball being so predictable are now trying to defend the QB's that played during that era?? I dont understand that. Yes, the Steelers played I formation, ram the ball down your throat and often against 8 man fronts.

Bettis did benefit from a lot of touches, but played against a lot of teams loading up to stop the run, because Kent Graham, Mike Tomczak, Kordell Stewart or Tommy Maddox were not going to beat them. Running game and defense was. I dont know what Bettis YPC average was, but I bet it wasnt outstanding, because he way playing against defenses loading up against the run and wasnt going to break any 80 yard runs with his speed.

Were the QB's during Bettis' time in Pittsburgh great? Not until a young Ben showed up at the end of his career. I dont see the uproar in pointing out that Bettis carried the load of the offense, because Graham, Tomczak, Stewart, Maddox could not do it consistently. Its the truth.
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Old 01-28-2014, 12:39 PM   #14
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Having a bad quarterback helps runningbacks stats and vice versa because the game is in their hands.

How many great RBs did Peyton Manning have? Tom Brady? Drew Brees? Dan Marino? hmm...

How many great QBs did AP have? Jamaal Charles? Barry Sanders? hmm...

Why people fail to understand this is mind boggling.
brady won a sb with correy dillon & kevin faulk always gave us fits
manning had edge james who's no slouch either, knowshon moreno is good also.

barry sanders did have a good season from erik kramer (year they made the nfc championship), but that's about it. i don't think detroit could afford to pay an elite qb because of how expensive barry was

though tbh, having a shitty qb hurts most rb's because they are facing 8-9 men in the box more often than not. those players you mentioned are ultra talented players that will take it to the house if one of them misses a tackle.
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Read the article and look at what is in "quotations" and what is not. Cowher never called out those guys, the columnist did.

All the fans that complain about Cowherball being so predictable are now trying to defend the QB's that played during that era?? I dont understand that. Yes, the Steelers played I formation, ram the ball down your throat and often against 8 man fronts.

Bettis did benefit from a lot of touches, but played against a lot of teams loading up to stop the run, because Kent Graham, Mike Tomczak, Kordell Stewart or Tommy Maddox were not going to beat them. Running game and defense was. I dont know what Bettis YPC average was, but I bet it wasnt outstanding, because he way playing against defenses loading up against the run and wasnt going to break any 80 yard runs with his speed.

Were the QB's during Bettis' time in Pittsburgh great? Not until a young Ben showed up at the end of his career. I dont see the uproar in pointing out that Bettis carried the load of the offense, because Graham, Tomczak, Stewart, Maddox could not do it consistently. Its the truth.
I love Cowherball, I was a huge fan of the guy, and I still am. I agree with his argument that Bettis was the main focus of any opposing defense, but I believe he could have put it better.

I believe his YPC was 3.9, which I'm more than fine with considering his speed and the fact he was the main weapon on offense (like you point out).
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brady won a sb with correy dillon & kevin faulk always gave us fits
manning had edge james who's no slouch either, knowshon moreno is good also.

barry sanders did have a good season from erik kramer (year they made the nfc championship), but that's about it. i don't think detroit could afford to pay an elite qb because of how expensive barry was

though tbh, having a shitty qb hurts most rb's because they are facing 8-9 men in the box more often than not. those players you mentioned are ultra talented players that will take it to the house if one of them misses a tackle.
I totally forgot about Erik Kramer lol.

Anyway point I'm trying to make is look at all of the good backs in the past 5 years (AP, Charles, Jones-Drew, Frank Gore, Chris Johnson, Ray Rice, etc). It's no coincidence that they have had mediocre quarterbacks. Lacy seemed to emerge as a star RB this year but nobody mentions Rodgers being out for most of the year. I think there's a correlation there.

The worse the quarterback the more opportunities for carries regardless if they're seeing 8-9 in the box. The offense also tailors around that player.
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I love Cowherball, I was a huge fan of the guy, and I still am. I agree with his argument that Bettis was the main focus of any opposing defense, but I believe he could have put it better.

I believe his YPC was 3.9, which I'm more than fine with considering his speed and the fact he was the main weapon on offense (like you point out).
3.9 YPC but a lot of his yardage came trying to end the game with a 7 point lead in the 3rd quarter

Also all of the inside the 5 and goalline carries he ran in for TDs take away from that number.
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3.9 YPC but a lot of his yardage came trying to end the game with a 7 point lead in the 3rd quarter

Also all of the inside the 5 and goalline he ran in for TDs take away from that number.
I'll always have a special place in my heart for the day he carried the ball 5 times, gained one yard, and scored three touchdowns.

I believe this guy belongs in the Hall, and I'm glad to see Cowher standing up for him.
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I love Cowherball, I was a huge fan of the guy, and I still am. I agree with his argument that Bettis was the main focus of any opposing defense, but I believe he could have put it better.

I believe his YPC was 3.9, which I'm more than fine with considering his speed and the fact he was the main weapon on offense (like you point out).
Below is what Cowher said. I really don't find it that offensive or insulting. Maybe its directed to the interviewer, who he didn't think could name Graham, Tomczak or Maddox?

“With all due respect,” Cowher said, “for most of his career he played in an offense without a quarterback you could name.”
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Anyway point I'm trying to make is look at all of the good backs in the past 5 years (AP, Charles, Jones-Drew, Frank Gore, Chris Johnson, Ray Rice, etc). It's no coincidence that they have had mediocre quarterbacks. Lacy seemed to emerge as a star RB this year but nobody mentions Rodgers being out for most of the year. I think there's a correlation there.
True though I think if anything that's more due to the salary cap. You can't afford Peyton Manning if someone's getting paid Adrian Peterson money
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