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Old 02-06-2014, 02:28 PM   #1
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Default Dominant D? Don't forget '74 Steelers

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Seattle in Super Bowl XLVIII began a debate about that game's best defenses. The Steelers in IX belong, too
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The Seattle Seahawks are Super Bowl XLVIII champions, and the manner in which they earned their Lombardi Trophy came as the result of a dominating victory over the Denver Broncos. The Great Peyton Manning’s Broncos. The Denver Broncos that employed the NFL’s dominant offense of the 2013 NFL season, a unit that ranked either first or second in the league in 10 significant categories during the regular season...


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Dont forget the 08 steeler D.

2008 Steelers vs 2013 Seahawks
Total Yards: 237.2 Total Yards: 273.6
Pass Yards: 156.9 Pass Yards: 172.0
Rush Yards: 80.3 Rush Yards: 101.8
Points: 13.9 Points: 14.4
Sacks:51 Sacks: 44
Pass TD Allowed: 12 Pass TD Allowed: 16
DPOY: James Harrison DPOY: None

Greatest Defense of all time my ass, they did not have better numbers in any major defensive category than the 08 steelers did.

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Seattle talking dynasty,can they win more than 1 super bowl before we start talking dynasty.I am so sick and tired of hearing about teams that had a great defense for one or two seasuns in the nfl.The GREAT STEELERS DEFENSE of the 70's was together for 8 to 10 years,the 2000 ravens D was consistent for a while the 85 bears D had 2 good seasons then disappeared,lets see how long this seattle D can stay consistent.Andrew you are absolutely right,the 08 steelers D was just as good if not better than this seattle defense.
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i wasn't around in the 70's so I can't comment on them. But that 08 defense was amazing. We had a tough schedule that year and it just made us better.
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i wasn't around in the 70's so I can't comment on them. But that 08 defense was amazing. We had a tough schedule that year and it just made us better.
Yeah I remember looking at the schedule that spring and thinking man it's going to be tough. So many great memories though. I remember the week of the Cowboys game I wore my Steeler beanie on the bus to the community college I was going at the time and this one guy gave me some trash talk and to the driver who was also a Steeler fan. Good natured. I just say we'll see on Sunday and boom Deshea Townsend picked six Romo. I think '08 was the year that Troy pawed that one against the Chargers too. But yeah as much as I respect Seattle's D from this year. that Steeler D in '08 was a lot better when you look at the stats and who they were playing. We also beat the Ravens thrice that year. I don't care if Flacco was a rookie- that's an accomplishment considering how tough our games with them are.
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i wasn't around in the 70's so I can't comment on them. But that 08 defense was amazing. We had a tough schedule that year and it just made us better.
I can't even believe people are forgetting (wait, yes I can) the 08 defense. When you look at quality of opponents, I think it was even more impressive than the 2000 Ravens. The Steelers D didn't accomplish what they did with 3 HOFs (Sanders, Woodson, Lewis) - they only did it with 1 (Troy)

08 Defense best defense of modern era IMO
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I can't even believe people are forgetting (wait, yes I can) the 08 defense. When you look at quality of opponents, I think it was even more impressive than the 2000 Ravens. The Steelers D didn't accomplish what they did with 3 HOFs (Sanders, Woodson, Lewis) - they only did it with 1 (Troy)

08 Defense best defense of modern era IMO


That 08 schedule was deemed "perhaps" the most difficult schedule in NFL history since the 1970 merger.

Quote: "the team faced the most difficult schedule in over 30 years"
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LINK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Pi...teelers_season
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Greatest Defense of all time my ass, they did not have better numbers in any major defensive category than the 08 steelers did.
Stats must be taken into context.

AVG PPG for an NFL team in 2008 was 22.0

AVG PPG for an NFL team in 2013 was 23.2

Pass TD in NFL 2008: 646

Pass TD in NFL 2013: 804

So that 0.5 PPG difference is basically 'inflation'. While the rest of the stats favor PIT, it's not like they're decisively better (especially adjusting for the influx in passing).

Some other stats to consider:

TO: SEA-39 (1st), PIT-29 (9th)
1D: SEA-282 (5th), PIT-240 (2nd)
1D by Penalty: SEA-43 (31st), PIT-18 (11th)

PIT is probably better, but it's not as if it's by a huge margin. Just enough to give them an edge.

According to FO, the 08 Steelers are still better than these Hawks by about 3.2% (but they also have the 1991 Eagles at #1 and 2004 BUF at #4, so...).

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Seattle talking dynasty,can they win more than 1 super bowl before we start talking dynasty.I am so sick and tired of hearing about teams that had a great defense for one or two seasuns in the nfl.The GREAT STEELERS DEFENSE of the 70's was together for 8 to 10 years,the 2000 ravens D was consistent for a while the 85 bears D had 2 good seasons then disappeared,lets see how long this seattle D can stay consistent.Andrew you are absolutely right,the 08 steelers D was just as good if not better than this seattle defense.
The Bears had a dominant D (1st/2nd in Yds/Pts) from 1983-1988 and a Top-10 D all but three years that Mike Ditka was coach. From 83-88 they made three NFCCG and a SB. They weren't a one/two-year fluke.

Many Ds were consistently dominant in the 1970s to include Dallas, Miami, Minnesota, Oakland and the L.A. Rams. The entire decade was one of Defensive focus; with PIT proving that they were the best of the bunch.

Seattle and San Francisco have been the best Ds of this decade and have a chance to enter the discussion of best Ds ever if they maintain a level near their current ones since 2010/11.

In 2008 plenty of Steelers fans were proclaiming that D among the best ever. Time has proven that correct.

Time may also show these Hawks to be a rare triumph in NFL history.

It's easy to nay say. Just accept that they were great and may continue to be. It happens. Pittsburgh is not the Cosmos.

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Well, all we have is stats.

It's not like they're ever going to play each other and settle the issue.

Based on stats and without adjusting for era the best conclusion is that PIT is better.
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Well, all we have is stats.

It's not like they're ever going to play each other and settle the issue.

Based on stats and without adjusting for era the best conclusion is that PIT is better.
Agreed it is difficult to compare eras - all you can do is abuse the offense you play in the Super Bowl to get a rep as a legendary defense

Ed.B. of the P-G had a good blog post on this

So let’s leave the debate this way: Seattle’s defense turned in one of the better seasons in modern NFL history, and their Super Bowl performance ranks right up there, considering the Seahawks opponent. But Baltimore’s defense in 2000 was better and their performance in the Super Bowl more dominant. And the Steelers of 1974 was the best performance of that generation with the 1985 Chicago Bears bridging the gap between them.

Take your pick, there is no wrong answer.


And proving he is no homer, Bouchette points out this shortcoming that somewhat dings the reputation of the 2008 Steelers defense (which turned in to a fatal flaw when that Steelers defense met up with Aaron Rodgers two years later)

However, one thing that mars that 2008 defense is that it could not hold a fourth-quarter lead and nearly blew the Super Bowl before Ben Roethlisberger and Santonio Holmes pulled out a 27-23 victory.

In that Super Bowl, Kurt Warner, a good quarterback but not in Manning’s class, threw for 377 yards and three touchdowns – although he also threw a 100-yard interception return for a Steelers touchdown by James Harrison. The Steelers held the Cardinals to 33 yards rushing but they had 407 total yards (take away the 100-yard pick and it drops to 307).

Like the Seahawks of 2013, the Steelers were virtually No. 1 in every defensive category.

However, Seattle’s performance was more impressive in Super Bowl XLVIII than the Steelers in XLIII.


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