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Old 02-09-2014, 08:37 PM   #11
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Ryan Clark was the only player who had the balls to call out Big Ben for crappy play during the first 1/2 of the season. Big Ben stepped up over the final 8. Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not. We will be lucky if we find another Ryan Clark as this team has few locker room leaders.
Uh, Ryan Clark was not in any position to call out anyone else's play.

And to answer your question - no, that's not why Roethlisberger's play improved. A legitimate running game and better pass protection was evident in the second half of the season. Those two things, combined with more emphasis on getting AB the ball was the surge for our offense. Ryan Clark's bullshit comments about Ben was not the deciding factor for our 6-2 run. To suggest that it was is laughable.
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Old 02-09-2014, 09:51 PM   #12
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Ben has never stepped up (that I know of) to be the vocal leader of this team that he 'could' have been. It's always been Hines Ward, Joey Porter, etc... outside of Hines Ward, always someone on the defense. But Ben is just the type of player that leads by example with his play on the field. I still wait to see him pitch a beotch like Brady does when things go bad...
I would disagree wholeheartedly. Within the locker room I guarantee that he has been the unquestioned leader for a few years now. Hearing about him working out with Wheaton, Moye and Brown this offseason, makes me even more confident in that. You have to remember that since the day he was drafted, up until about the 2011-2012 seasons, he was surrounded by highly respected veterans, which meant he didn't have to be the, quote unquote, vocal leader.

Not to mention, being a loudmouth doesn't always equate to leadership, and honestly, from my starting QB, I would rather have an emotionally even-keel type leader.
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Uh, Ryan Clark was not in any position to call out anyone else's play.

And to answer your question - no, that's not why Roethlisberger's play improved. A legitimate running game and better pass protection was evident in the second half of the season. Those two things, combined with more emphasis on getting AB the ball was the surge for our offense. Ryan Clark's bullshit comments about Ben was not the deciding factor for our 6-2 run. To suggest that it was is laughable.
Agreed. Poor offensive line play, injuries (Bell/Miller/Pouncey) and the defenses inability to stop anyone was why the Steelers struggled early on.
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I see a lot of things wrong with it because, ya know, how he played this year.
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I see a lot of things wrong with it because, ya know, he played like HE was stoned this year.
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Uh, Ryan Clark was not in any position to call out anyone else's play.

And to answer your question - no, that's not why Roethlisberger's play improved. A legitimate running game and better pass protection was evident in the second half of the season. Those two things, combined with more emphasis on getting AB the ball was the surge for our offense. Ryan Clark's bullshit comments about Ben was not the deciding factor for our 6-2 run. To suggest that it was is laughable.
I was being facetious. But I liked the fact Clark wasn't afraid to call Ben out. Since the Steelers lost Bettis, Porter, Hines, & Farrior there really haven't been any strong locker room guys that united both Offense and Defense. I think the Steelers tried bringing Randle El and Foote back for leadership, but when Foote got hurt this year, Clark tried to fill the void although a little less diplomatically than the team may have liked. Either way, the team will miss him. Some of his hits are legendary (think Welker, McGahee hits). People seem to be high oh Shamarko Thomas but he couldn't beat out Golden or Will Allen so I'm a little concerned he may be the next Anthony Smith versus the next Ryan Clark.
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I would disagree wholeheartedly. Within the locker room I guarantee that he has been the unquestioned leader for a few years now. Hearing about him working out with Wheaton, Moye and Brown this offseason, makes me even more confident in that. You have to remember that since the day he was drafted, up until about the 2011-2012 seasons, he was surrounded by highly respected veterans, which meant he didn't have to be the, quote unquote, vocal leader.

Not to mention, being a loudmouth doesn't always equate to leadership, and honestly, from my starting QB, I would rather have an emotionally even-keel type leader.
I know. But from Jack Lambert (BIG time vocal defensive player and trash talker) and on... that's kind of been the persona of Steelers defensive football. I totally agree that on camera, that kind of talk is not needed... it should be settled on the field.
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RC is a good interview, he comes of as an educated and transparent individiual on TV and I'll enjoy watching him when he is on network TV in a few years. So guys smoke in the NFL, not too shocking, especially since its legal in 2 states and more will follow in the future.

If Clark isnt playing next year, its not because of what he said.....its because he is a 34 year old Safety with declining skills. Was great having him as a Steeler though.
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I was being facetious. But I liked the fact Clark wasn't afraid to call Ben out. Since the Steelers lost Bettis, Porter, Hines, & Farrior there really haven't been any strong locker room guys that united both Offense and Defense. I think the Steelers tried bringing Randle El and Foote back for leadership, but when Foote got hurt this year, Clark tried to fill the void although a little less diplomatically than the team may have liked. Either way, the team will miss him. Some of his hits are legendary (think Welker, McGahee hits). People seem to be high oh Shamarko Thomas but he couldn't beat out Golden or Will Allen so I'm a little concerned he may be the next Anthony Smith versus the next Ryan Clark.
Based on the posts in this thread, I'm not sensing any sentiment of ill will toward Clark, but more the mutual realization that he absolutely hit the wall last year. It happens to every athlete, in every sport and I think 2013 was the year it happened to him. I wish Clark the best of luck in all future endeavors, but his days in a Steeler uniform, or any uniform for that matter, are probably over.
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I know. But from Jack Lambert (BIG vocal defensive player and trash talker) and on... that's kind of been the persona of Steelers defensive football. I totally agree that on camera, that kind of talk is not needed... it should be settled on the field.
The key word being defensively. Even then I would argue that the intimidation factor on defense has zero to do with anyone's mouth and everything to do with the amount of punishment they dole out. Timmons and Polamalu are prime examples of guys that speak softly and carry a big stick. (Didn't think I would be quoting Teddy Roosevelt when I woke up today.)
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90% of the players turned analysts are horrible. These networks pretty much hire anyone. For example, why does Sanders have a job?
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