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Old 02-11-2014, 07:45 PM   #111
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Default Re: Draft prospect Michael Sam comes out as gay

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I think we should try and leave the politics in the locker room.
That is why I opened the initial thread in the locker room - it is post #1 in this thread. But I then merged it with the thread that was subsequently started here - it is an inherently political subject that has a lot more to do with gay rights than it does with the NFL. As I told Lady Steel earlier in this thread, i merged the two threads in the wrong direction.

You think the non-sports news media is giving this coverage because it gives a rat's ass about whether the SEC co-defensive player of the year gets drafted in the 3rd, 5th, or no round whatsoever?

The fact that Mr. Limbaugh unloaded on the subject proves my point on that.

There is a thread in the Steelers section that actually discusses whether Sam is a good fit at OLB or DL. I posted a pure football analysis of Sam's NFL potential in that thread

If anyone would have suggested this topic should be back in the Locker Room they would get no opposition from me

But i agree the subject has been chewed over for now until it is back in full force when round 3 rolls around for the draft

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Aw, Dan, don't be mad!
I really need to start using a sarcasm smilie
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Default Re: Draft prospect Michael Sam comes out as gay

I have relatives who are exactly like Limbaugh. They use the "America /Traditional values" (which is oxymoronic in its own sense) argument, then berate anyone who disagrees with them with half-assed, thought-devoid comments like Rush's. And when you poke/stab/fire a cannonball through the holes in their arguments, what happens? They resort to shitty attempts at trolling and hilariously un-funny "satire".

Especially when- wait for it- gay rights are brought up!
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As usual, 99.9% of what Rush says is stupid, but with a small interesting point of discussion.

The last few years much media attention has been paid about concussions and the dangers ('barbarianism') of the NFL.

But that's more or less glossed over once the first 'outed' athlete joins said sport.

Funny how certain agendas supersede others.
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As usual, 99.9% of what Rush says is stupid, but with a small interesting point of discussion.

The last few years much media attention has been paid about concussions and the dangers ('barbarianism') of the NFL.

But that's more or less glossed over once the first 'outed' athlete joins said sport.

Funny how certain agendas supersede others.
Rush (aka Jeff Christie on Pittsburgh AM top 40 station WIXZ 1360 in the early 70s) is a very bright guy (as if being able to maintain your standing as the most popular radio entertainer for 2 decades does not indicate that)

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Default Re: Draft prospect Michael Sam comes out as gay

Since this discussion my not be tapped out I am going to, for the reasons Mach1 and I discussed last night, move this thread back to the Locker Room since it involves a lot of non-football issues beyond whether Sam is a better fit at OLB or DE
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As usual, 99.9% of what Rush says is stupid, but with a small interesting point of discussion.

The last few years much media attention has been paid about concussions and the dangers ('barbarianism') of the NFL.

But that's more or less glossed over once the first 'outed' athlete joins said sport.

Funny how certain agendas supersede others.
I do not agree that just because stories discussing Michael Sam did not also discuss the issue of CTE or that everyone who congratulated Michael Sam on coming out did not also say "by the way you know you are going to end up brain damaged for playing football if you are not already there" means that the issue of CTE is being glossed over,, Using Rush's "logic," every story discussing the Seahawks dismantling of the Broncos was glossing over problems with NFL head trauma by not working that topic into discussions of how the Seahawks defense compared to the greatest Super Bowl defenses of all time.

Just because every story discussing the shortcomings of Obamacare does not also discuss Benghazi does not mean Benghazi is being brushed under the rug

Given that PBS Frontline has a site on its web page titled Concussion Watch;

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...cussion-watch/

and that Frontline unloaded this story online last Tuesday, February 11, I do not think those guys are going to be glossing over their coverage to cover Michael Sam.

What We’ve Learned From Two Years of Tracking NFL Concussions

1. One-third of all concussions are left off the NFL injury report
2. Half the time, injured players come back without missing a game
3. Receivers and cornerbacks get more concussions than anyone else
4. New rules have had mixed results
5. Beware of Week 12?


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...l-concussions/
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Long NYT story on Michael Sam's life outside of football - this guy has endured a lot beyond potentially getting hassled as a gay football player

Before Coming Out, a Hard Time Growing Up
Michael Sam’s Troubled Upbringing in Texas


Sam has never had it easy. He grew up about 40 miles southeast of Houston near Galveston Bay in Texas, the seventh of eight children. Three of his siblings have died and two brothers are in prison. He lived briefly in the back seat of his mother’s car, and his relationship with his family remains complicated: When he visits home, he usually stays with friends....

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/12/sp...-gay.html?_r=0
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He grew up about 40 miles southeast of Houston near Galveston Bay in Texas
I knew it was going to be a tough story when I read that part. I've been to Galveston...it's the shittiest beach town ever. And I've been to the Jersey shore.
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