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Old 02-11-2014, 09:03 AM   #81
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So it's ok if a player is gay and nobody knows about it until later? I haven't seen any former teammates of any outed retired players who says they now feel violated.
I suppose it is like only finding out the plane nearly crashed after landing, in which case you would not have known at the time you were in mortal peril and are relieved to have lived to tell the tale.
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I suppose it is like only finding out the plane nearly crashed after landing, in which case you would not have known at the time you were in mortal peril and are relieved to have lived to tell the tale.
Sadly, that's most likely a fitting analogy for some people
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Old 02-11-2014, 09:40 AM   #83
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Here's Matt Birk's thoughts (Note: Birk is opposed to marriage equality)

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“There is a difference between trying to talk about what marriage is and what my feelings are toward individuals. There are actually many people that are close to me that are gay,” Birk said, via Kevin Seifert of ESPN.com. “But in the end, the issue is someone’s sexuality: Does it really ever come into play at work? I don’t think so.

“I know there are stereotypes about football players and what the locker room is like and all that. Some of those stereotypes, sometimes we’re our own worst enemies. We take advantage of all the perks of the locker room. Sometimes that means you act like a teenager. But when push comes to shove, when you’re talking about something like this, this serious issue and monumental of an issue, I really think football players will answer the bell.”
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Default Re: Draft prospect Michael Sam comes out as gay

Jon Stewart did a segment on Michael Sam during last night's episode of the Daily Show, and after dropping a pretty good burn on Tim Tebow, he got right at the heart of what's so ridiculous about certain NFL people's assumption that Sam will be a distraction for his future NFL team.

http://deadspin.com/john-stewart-rip...84537/+Tom_Ley
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I think we may be talking past each other. You appear to be focusing on a gay player trolling for perceived slights in the locker room and I am focusing on a gay player being deprived of an opportunity to earn a living in pro football because Jonathan Vilma is uncomfortable getting undressed next to an openly gay male solely because the teammate is gay or a 50 something front office type not wanting to draft an uncloseted gay man because the league and its players (or more likely primarily that front office guy) allegedly are not ready for that for a few more decades.
Yep.

We agree on the main issue (although I would agree that the league would be 'better equipped in a few decades'. HOWEVER, one has to start somewhere/sometime. Why not now?).

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We do agree that live and let live is what is necessary. The question is how that works for gay and straight co-workers just as it has been worked through for men and women of different races over the decades.
Ideally, 90% will carry on as usual. It will be the 5% minority opinions on either side that are going to over dramatize the issue.

They always ruin everything for everyone. smh
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They always ruin everything for everyone. smh
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So it's ok if a player is gay and nobody knows about it until later? I haven't heard about former teammates of any outed retired players who say they now feel violated.
Wait until they go bankrupt.

Then the PTSD or likewise claims will begin!
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Wait until they go bankrupt.

Then the PTSD or likewise claims will begin!
So, we should be expecting a lot of this?

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We do agree that live and let live is what is necessary. The question is how that works for gay and straight co-workers just as it has been worked through for men and women of different races over the decades.
Ideally, 90% will carry on as usual. It will be the 5% minority opinions on either side that are going to over dramatize the issue.

They always ruin everything for everyone. smh
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