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Old 02-19-2014, 08:15 PM   #61
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By the way, I'm not sure many of you go there, but the first feature on the Raven's official website right now is a video montage titled "2013 Highlights: Ravens' Biggest Hits" (seriously.... I can't make this stuff up.)
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Old 02-19-2014, 08:17 PM   #62
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Who says chivalry is dead?

I don't remember any kind of evidence like this coming out during Ben's incidents, but Rat fans wanted him burned at the stake. On Baltimore sports talk, there are idiots now suggesting that people shouldn't jump to conclusions and we should wait till the trial to form an opinion.

Excuse me while I put my hypocritical bullshit nullifying helmet on.

BTW, Nevermore, this isn't directed at you or ALL Ravens fans... just the dumb ones.
I was shocked, a Ravens fan called in to a local radio station today saying that the Ravens should make a statement and cut Rice.

The least-talked about part about this situation is that getting "knocked out" doesn't work like it does in movies and games (meaning it's not a shot to the head, blacking out, then waking up groggy and consequence-free some time later). For someone to be that limp means he must have really socked her pretty fucking hard. She'll likely suffer some sort of long-term damage from this. I mean, hell, look what Ryan Clark did to Willis McGahee a couple years ago. That was all 200+ pounds of Clark's body flying into McGahee's head. McGahee was still responsive afterward. Sure, you can argue the helmets helped, but I sincerely doubt Ray Rice can use his hand to hit someone in the head with greater force than Clark can use when propelling his entire body.

I also find it a little disturbing how Rice lightly kicked his fiance's leg like he would kick cargo he was trying to move out of the way.
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Old 02-19-2014, 08:44 PM   #63
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I was shocked, a Ravens fan called in to a local radio station today saying that the Ravens should make a statement and cut Rice.
My guess is that at least some of the indignation directed at aging, fat Ray Rice coming off his worst season would not be directed at 2008 rising star Ray Rice

He picked a bad time to screw up, just like Chris Rainey picked a bad time to get collared for alleged domestic abuse after a disappointing 2012 season - it is a lot easier for the front office to make a moral stand against someone who is not seen as a virtually irreplaceable part of the franchise than a franchise level player

Both the Ravens and Steelers have faced that situation in the past
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It's all over for Rice - the story has made it to Drudge

Video Shows RAVENS Star Dragging Unconscious Fiancée Out Of Casino Elevator...
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Well then, Jon is all to da good then.........
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Sometimes a woman needs to be put in her place, which is on the floor and unconscious
What do you say when you see a woman with two black eyes?

She should have listened the first time.
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Even The Baltimore Sun has lost faith

This is the second time in six months that TMZ has broken stories about Ravens behaving badly

Remember Bryant McKinnie, Jacoby Jones, Sweet Pea and the "party bus" in DC?

The Ravens have to be TMZ's favorite team.


http://www.baltimoresun.com/entertai...#ixzz2tpmu1zNt
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Don't butter him up. His boyfriend does that enough already.
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You are right... There wasn't this much evidence in Ben's case, but the initial allegations and stories coming out of that incident were sounding pretty damning. Fans are always going to latch onto and run with scandals, especially when it is a star player on a rival team. Just the way it is....

Now, I'm not necessarily saying Rice is guilty or innocent at this point, but the video, police report, and rumors so far make it hard to believe there wasn't some sort of "not gentlemanly behavior" here. Even if it were to come out (and this is a real stretch) that she attacked him and in defending against her assault he pushed her and she hit her head knocking herself out, the way he drags her off the elevator doesn't look like the way I would drag someone I'm planning on marrying. If my wife passed out / was knocked out, I'd be pretty damn worried about her. That video doesn't look like much love is happening... The first time I watched it I kept expecting the elevator door to close on her ankles. I mean help the girl out!!! We'll see in the coming weeks.

As for the franchise, I personally hope that the Ravens take a hard stand on this. Depending on how Rice handles this (apologies, true remorse, owning it and coming clean), he needs at least a suspension of some kind.... Whether he needs to be released from the team is questionable, but he's got "a lotta splainin to do!"

Get the popcorn...... This will be a show for some time now.

(Ray Rice is PRAYING that the Hernandez trial gets underway.... like yesterday!)

PS - In case you are wondering.... I do hate the Steelers, but enjoy the outside views on this board, that's why I'm here. Hanging out in the Ravens forums all the time with everyone wearing purple colored glasses gets boring. Thanks for letting me play....
Hey, I don't make the decisions around here. If it were up to me I'd bounce yours and Jon's Rat asses right out the door! (J/K)

Look, even to this day Raven fans think Ben absolutely did it and should be locked up, not just immediately after the incidents. I'm not defending Ben's actions towards women as he seems like he was a lout and mistreated them, but that doesn't mean I believe he raped anyone because I don't believe he did. If he had, charges would have been filed minimally. I believe what he did was consensual with one of the women being a kook and the other a woman of loose morals. Both had buyer's remorse when they found out Ben just got what he wanted and told them to hit the road. Nothing honorable there, but certainly not worthy of prison time. The girls just wanted paid for their stupidity and Roethlisberger's caddish behavior.

The Rice story sounds different. There are witnesses, video, and a police report stating some pretty bad details. It wasn't just a shove reportedly. It was an uppercut that knocked her out cold. It's made even worse due to the fact that Ray Rice is supposed to be the face of an anti-bullying campaign.

It sounds as though his fiancee is in hot water as well as she may have been the initial aggressor in some fashion, but that doesn't allow Rice, a professional football player, to do what he's accused of. He could have walked away or subdued her and found security (unless she's Ronda Rousey or something). Hitting a woman should be an absolute last resort in only the most dangerous of situations (she's armed or is continuing a vicious assault on you with no means of getting help or getting away). If he did this, the league had better come down hard on him for it. Ben was crucified by the league without any charges even being filed.

I think the proper punishment here (if found guilty) would be a 4-game suspension, a fine for Rice and James Harrison, and the loss of a draft pick by the Ravens to the Steelers. That sounds about right.

Honestly, I'm serious about the suspension and fine for Rice though.
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I was shocked, a Ravens fan called in to a local radio station today saying that the Ravens should make a statement and cut Rice.

The least-talked about part about this situation is that getting "knocked out" doesn't work like it does in movies and games (meaning it's not a shot to the head, blacking out, then waking up groggy and consequence-free some time later). For someone to be that limp means he must have really socked her pretty fucking hard. She'll likely suffer some sort of long-term damage from this. I mean, hell, look what Ryan Clark did to Willis McGahee a couple years ago. That was all 200+ pounds of Clark's body flying into McGahee's head. McGahee was still responsive afterward. Sure, you can argue the helmets helped, but I sincerely doubt Ray Rice can use his hand to hit someone in the head with greater force than Clark can use when propelling his entire body.

I also find it a little disturbing how Rice lightly kicked his fiance's leg like he would kick cargo he was trying to move out of the way.
I don't want to sound as though all callers to the radio shows in Baltimore are morons defending him because you're right. There have been several taking this stance that he should be cut and/or suspended.

There are far too many pleading for patience or outright defending this behavior for my liking though, considering how vehemently they came after Ben during his ordeal with far less proof, just accusations. It just reeks of hypocrisy.
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