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Old 04-15-2014, 05:03 PM   #11
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Default Re: G.o.T. who killed the king ?

BUT...margaery did have the cup

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i'm pretty sure that qualifies for a spoiler...thanks dumbass.



if uou look at the picture below you'll see olenna is nowhere near the cup plus there is a guard who i think would have noticed.


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It's a spoiler yet you refute it? How does that make it a spoiler? It doesnt spoil anything, it's merely a theory.
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This whole thread qualifies as a spoiler lol.

Great theory with the necklace though. If Olenna didn't do it herself, she definitely had a strong hand in it. Those eyes don't lie! I would think their family has plenty of reasons to want Joffrey dead. I don't think having Margaery marry Joffrey was ever about her being queen, just a way to get this done. Feels like it was planned out for a long time. Will be interesting to see the reason(s) why.
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so the tyrells would gain nothing by killing joffrey ? well except freeing margaery of course. unless they have some weird rule about marrying the next in line. if i'm not mistaken , i seem to recall that caitlin was to marry neds starks brother , but he was killed so she was then married to ned.

This kind of thing has happened in history. The first wife of Henry VIII, Katherine of Aragon, was originally married to Henry's older brother, Arthur. But he died some five months after the wedding.

But it isn't really a rule as such. Just that the reasons for having a marriage between two households remain.

In the GoT case, the Lannisters have the gold, but the Tyrells own vast expanses of farm land, which makes them the biggest food producers in Westeros.

That might sound boring, but the fact that armies need feeding has shaped history. It was one of the main reasons why the Central Powers lost WWI.

So the Lannisters need the Tyrells, and probably more than the Tyrells need the Lannisters. Especially with when Winter is coming.

There will be plenty of consequences yet unseen in the TV series that will come from the assassination of Joffrey, some intended, some not.

I have read the books, but I am being carefull that I don't say too much.
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This whole thread qualifies as a spoiler lol.

Great theory with the necklace though. If Olenna didn't do it herself, she definitely had a strong hand in it. Those eyes don't lie! I would think their family has plenty of reasons to want Joffrey dead. I don't think having Margaery marry Joffrey was ever about her being queen, just a way to get this done. Feels like it was planned out for a long time. Will be interesting to see the reason(s) why.
lol....why is that ? you and i have both seen the same evidence and have the same knowledge of the events . all we can do is speculate and create theories. how can that be a spoiler if we don't know the truth ? i was still thinking there was a remote chance the pie was poisoned. now i'm not.
my first thought also was that it was the old lady until i rewatched the scene and noticed the guard, and distance she actually really was away from the cup.
as for her not really wanting to be queen , i have my doubts on that. remember she did marry renly who had a good chance of taking the throne , despite knowing he was a pillow biter. .. i believe the tyrells only motivation is about sitting on the throne. thats why i'm confused on why they would kill joffrey before they had an heir. if wagen is correct , then it looks like cercie is now the top dog.

cnew on the other hand has given us outside information which almost had to come from the books because there was noway anyone got that information from just watching the TV show. i mean seriously , who in the brief amount of time that they showed the neclace , counted the crystals before and after ?
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lol....why is that ? you and i have both seen the same evidence and have the same knowledge of the events . all we can do is speculate and create theories. how can that be a spoiler if we don't know the truth ? i was still thinking there was a remote chance the pie was poisoned. now i'm not.

cnew on the other hand has given us outside information which almost had to come from the books because there was noway anyone got that information from just watching the TV show. i mean seriously , who in the brief amount of time that they showed the neclace , counted the crystals before and after ?
He got it off of reddit. And his is just a theory like ours. Everything he mentioned is in the episode though, it's just tiny details we didn't notice right off the bat.

What I meant by spoiler, is that if someone hasn't seen the episode yet, all they need to to is look at thread titles in the locker room, and the episode is spoiled lol. The only thing I didn't know from cnew's comment was that the poisonous crystals were called "The Strangler." I don't know how true the theory is either, having not read the books, but it makes sense. I don't see it spoiling any other future events, just explaining this one. Unless you didn't want this explained quite yet? I could understand that. I was already 99% sure the Tyrells did this though, it was just the how and why that I wasn't 100% on. Now I'm just a little clearer on the how. Not that huge of a spoiler if you ask me.
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It's a spoiler yet you refute it? How does that make it a spoiler? It doesnt spoil anything, it's merely a theory.
i'm refuting who delivered the poison to the cup , not where the poison came from. while i did have only the slightest doubt that the tyrells were involved , your necklace info removed the doubt thus creating the spoiler by removing the doubt.
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He got it off of reddit. And his is just a theory like ours. Everything he mentioned is in the episode though, it's just tiny details we didn't notice right off the bat.

What I meant by spoiler, is that if someone hasn't seen the episode yet, all they need to to is look at thread titles in the locker room, and the episode is spoiled lol. The only thing I didn't know from cnew's comment was that the poisonous crystals were called "The Strangler." I don't know how true the theory is either, having not read the books, but it makes sense. I don't see it spoiling any other future events, just explaining this one. Unless you didn't want this explained quite yet? I could understand that. I was already 99% sure the Tyrells did this though, it was just the how and why that I wasn't 100% on. Now I'm just a little clearer on the how. Not that huge of a spoiler if you ask me.
ummm...poisonous crystals with a specific name... i don't think i'd call that a theory formed from that episode .....that would be a big coincidence ..no ?
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As always, it was the butler!
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i'm refuting who delivered the poison to the cup , not where the poison came from. while i did have only the slightest doubt that the tyrells were involved , your necklace info removed the doubt thus creating the spoiler by removing the doubt.
I don't see how it can be a spoiler when the episode had already happened and the info is already out there. It's not like I quoted the book or something. But my bad I guess
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