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Old 07-07-2014, 12:56 PM   #1
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Backlash stirs in US against foreign worker visas

The H-1B program allows employers to temporarily hire workers in specialty occupations. The government issues up to 85,000 H-1B visas to businesses every year, and recipients can stay up to six years. Although no one tracks exactly how many H-1B holders are in the U.S., experts estimate there are at least 600,000 at any one time. Skilled guest workers can also come in on other types of visas.

An immigration bill passed in the U.S. Senate last year would have increased the number of annually available H-1B visas to 180,000 while raising fees and increasing oversight, although language was removed that would have required all companies to consider qualified U.S. workers before foreign workers are hired.

The House never acted on the measure. With immigration reform considered dead this year in Congress, President Barack Obama last week declared he will use executive actions to address some changes. It is not known whether the H-1B program will be on the agenda.

Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg is among the high-profile executives pushing for more H-1Bs. The argument has long been that there aren't enough qualified American workers to fill certain jobs, especially in science, engineering and technology. Advocates also assert that some visa holders will stay and become entrepreneurs.

Critics say there is no across-the-board shortage of American tech workers, and that if there were, wages would be rising rapidly. Instead, wage gains for software developers have been modest, while wages have fallen for programmers.

The liberal Economic Policy Institute reported last year that only half of U.S. college graduates in science, engineering and technology found jobs in those fields and that at least one third of IT jobs were going to foreign guest workers.

The top users of H-1B visas aren't even tech companies like Google and Facebook. Eight of the 10 biggest H1-B users last year were outsourcing firms that hire out thousands of mostly lower- and mid-level tech workers to corporate clients, according to an analysis of federal data by Ron Hira, an associate professor of public policy at Rochester Institute of Technology. The top 10 firms accounted for about a third of the H-1Bs allotted last year.

Last month, three tech advocacy groups launched a labor boycott against Infosys, IBM and the global staffing and consulting company ManpowerGroup, citing a "pattern of excluding U.S. workers from job openings on U.S soil."

They say Manpower, for example, last year posted U.S. job openings in India but not in the United States.

"We have a shortage in the industry all right — a shortage of fair and ethical recruiting and hiring," said Donna Conroy, director of Bright Future Jobs, a group of tech professionals fighting to end what it calls "discriminatory hiring that is blocking us ... from competing for jobs we are qualified to do."

"U.S. workers should have the freedom to compete first for job openings," Conroy said.

Infosys spokesman Paul de Lara responded that the firm encourages "diversity recruitment," while spokesman Doug Shelton said IBM considers all qualified candidates "without regard to citizenship and immigration status." Manpower issued a statement saying it "adopts the highest ethical standards and complies with all applicable laws and regulations when hiring individuals."

Much of the backlash against the H-1B and other visa programs can be traced to whistleblower Jay Palmer, a former Infosys employee. In 2011, Palmer supplied federal investigators with information that helped lead to Infosys paying a record $34 million settlement last year. Prosecutors had accused the company of circumventing the law by bringing in lower-paid workers on short-term executive business visas instead of using H-1B visas.

Last year, IBM paid $44,000 to the U.S. Justice Department to settle allegations its job postings expressed a preference for foreign workers. And a September trial is set against executives at the staffing company Dibon Solutions, accused of illegally bringing in foreign workers on H-1B visas without having jobs for them — a practice known as "benching."

A company spokeswoman said Infosys has about 17,000 employees in the U.S., about 25 percent U.S. hires. In filings to the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, the company said it has more than 22,000 employees with valid temporary work visas, some not in the U.S.

Stanford University Law School fellow Vivek Wadwha, a startup adviser, said firms are so starved for talent they are buying up other companies to obtain skilled employees. If there's a bias against Americans, he said, it's an age bias based on the fact that older workers may not have the latest skills. More than 70 percent of H-1B petitions approved in 2012 were for workers between the ages of 25 and 34.

"If workers don't constantly retrain themselves, their skills become obsolete," he said.

Norm Matloff, a computer science professor at the University of California, Davis, agreed that age plays into it — not because older workers are less skilled but because they typically require higher pay. Temporary workers also tend to be cheaper because they don't require long-term health care for dependents and aren't around long enough to get significant raises, he said.

Because they can be deported if they lose their jobs, these employees are often loath to complain about working conditions. And even half the standard systems analyst salary in the U.S. is above what an H-1B holder would earn back home.

Such circumstances concern Americans searching for work in a still recovering economy.

Jennifer Wedel of Fort Worth, Texas, publicly challenged Obama on the visa issue in 2012, making headlines when she asked him via a public online chat about the number of foreign workers being hired — given that her husband, a semiconductor engineer, couldn't find work.

Wedel said her husband eventually found a job in the health care industry, taking a $40,000 pay cut.

"It's a slap in the face to every American who worked hard to get their experience and degrees and has 10 or 15 years of experience," she said, adding that firms want that experience but don't want to pay for it.

To her, the issue isn't about a shortage of workers who have the right skills. Put simply, she said: "It's the money."



Jennifer Wedel it is always about the money experience much with technology moving so fast doesn't mean much today.

Lets look at this, hire American but up with a lot of whinny workers who's social life is more important their job, they demand great working conditions, top health care, and a salary they flaunt about how successful they are, and a retirement.

hire Foreign substandard working conditions, no health care, no retirement, will work 12 hours a day 7 days a week, and can be let go at anytime.

for the Capitalistic company the Foreign worker wins every time.

So College grads welcome to the machine.

blue collar workers got there salary, health care, retirement cut now white collar worker it's your turn to help the companies bottom line.

This is nothing new it's just new to the white collar people. it doesn't matter if you vote Rep. or Dem. if you work for a employer and the employer wants to cut costs the employer will find away to cut costs.

remember the government makes its money on taxes so the company who is paying money to do your will always have a bigger say in government.

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Bill Gate's solution to unemployment in the US is more H1Bs for foreign students. lolwut?

This has been an ongoing debate in the IT industry for 10 years. There IS no labor shortage. What there IS is lots of 1/4 - 1/2 trained developers in foreign countries willing to work for 1/10 the salary. Corporate America is using H1Bs the same way Big Ag uses illegal immigrants.
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hmmm...i bet these middle class people didn't care when foreigners were depressing wages and taking jobs from american construction and factory workers. i always heard it was the job market that determined an employees value ...look who's cryin now ..
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I'm all for calling out the younger generation on its lack of work ethic, because there is a kernel of truth to it. However, accepting a lower wage than you are worth is not blue collar. It's being taken advantage of. Pride does not put food on the table when you have mounting school loans to pay off. Want college grads to work for less? Let's try not making them graduate with a quarter of a million dollars in school loan debt.
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if you can't take the job out of america...then take america out of the job ..

capitalism + for hire politicians = employees are fucked
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Bill Gate's solution to unemployment in the US is more H1Bs for foreign students. lolwut?

This has been an ongoing debate in the IT industry for 10 years. There IS no labor shortage. What there IS is lots of 1/4 - 1/2 trained developers in foreign countries willing to work for 1/10 the salary. Corporate America is using H1Bs the same way Big Ag uses illegal immigrants.
and manufacturing well they just picked up and moved everything and put a death blow to a lot of towns and cities.


I know this has been going on for a some time but I really posted this because of one part.

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and because these college educated republican white collar people posts on the internet about union thug workers not worth a high paying wage. then they find out when they have to compete toe to toe with foreign workers their not worth the wage they make.
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Can't remember where I saw the news story, but there's a pretty neat video out there of a consulting company holding seminars that showed domestic companies how to circumvent laws on hiring Americans. Basically, they'd write job posts with impossible-to-meet requirements, then when no one turned up after the required timeframe, they then had the right to petition for H1Bs.
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I'm all for calling out the younger generation on its lack of work ethic, because there is a kernel of truth to it. However, accepting a lower wage than you are worth is not blue collar. It's being taken advantage of. Pride does not put food on the table when you have mounting school loans to pay off. Want college grads to work for less? Let's try not making them graduate with a quarter of a million dollars in school loan debt.

imo it is not about the younger generation work ethics it more about companies now want temporary workers who have no rights, no benefits, low wages with no raises. young employees buy in to the company propaganda easier and how fast technology advances today its about the

instead of trying to teach the old dog get rid of him and hire a new college grad dog.
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and manufacturing well they just picked up and moved everything and put a death blow to a lot of towns and cities.


I know this has been going on for a some time but I really posted this because of one part.



and because these college educated republican white collar people posts on the internet about union thug workers not worth a high paying wage. then they find out when they have to compete toe to toe with foreign workers their not worth the wage they make.
... that was my point as well. hell i've seen it here on many occasions. middle class people are more than happy to side with corporate america in denying a fair wage to lower paid employees. they have no problem telling the construction workers that built their office buildings or the autoworkers that assembled their cars that they aren't worth what they are paid because somebody else could do their job cheaper...they call it letting the market set your value.. ...well welcome to the club you fuckin douchebags !! enjoy your new meager earnings like the rest of us non one percenters ...
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... that was my point as well. hell i've seen it here on many occasions. middle class people are more than happy to side with corporate america in denying a fair wage to lower paid employees. they have no problem telling the construction workers that built their office buildings or the autoworkers that assembled their cars that they aren't worth what they are paid because somebody else could do their job cheaper...they call it letting the market set your value.. ...well welcome to the club you fuckin douchebags !! enjoy your new meager earnings like the rest of us non one percenters ...


but as the propaganda says it will create more jobs.
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