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Old 07-08-2014, 09:18 PM   #11
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A Chargers fan. A delusional one at that.
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Default Re: 2004 QB's: Rivers, Ben, Manning

By the way, I love how whoever wrote that shit said that Rivers has had the worst supporting cast of the three QBs, even though his weapons included LaDainian Tomlinson and Antonio Gates in their primes, plus Vincent Jackson for a few years, and perennial Pro Bowl offensive linemen like Nick Hardwick, Kris Dielman and Marcus McNeil. In fact, between 2006 and 2013, Rivers was surrounded by almost twice as many Pro Bowl selections on offense (20) as Roethlisberger was (11). Gee, you think that might have something to do with the fact that he's been slightly more efficient through his career? Or how about the fact that he was on the bench for his first two seasons in the NFL while Roethlisberger was thrown straight into the fire? And I don't give a good goddamn about defenses in this comparison; they don't run the ball, catch passes or block for the QB. Roethlisberger has had better defenses than Rivers, but Rivers has had better weapons than Roethlisberger.
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Old 07-08-2014, 09:28 PM   #13
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Default Re: 2004 QB's: Rivers, Ben, Manning

The shameless cherry picking is laughable, but these are the more ludicrous bits:

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Roethlisberger rode the coattails of an elite defense to two championships while Manning did the same
Rivers rode the coattails of an elite offense to... playoff losses.

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Rivers has managed to do things with less support than Manning and Roethlisberger.
It's too bad he didn't have the best RB of the era on his team. That LaDainian Tomlinson really sucked.

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Overlooking these serious deficiencies in individual contributions to those championships is to prove yourself incapable of rationally analyzing the game. Regardless of the end result, one cannot ignore the steps taken to get there.
Height of hypocrisy.

Overlooking the 'clutch' moments produced ('individual contributions') by Big Ben and Eli to those championships is to prove one incapable of rationally analyzing the game.

Until Rivers does this or this*, all he has is stats.

*Seriously re-watch this drive. Not only does Ben evade two sacks, but he throws the game-winning throw TWICE (Santonio lets the first one go through his hands). 'Riding the coattails of his defense'. Just whatever.
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Old 07-08-2014, 09:40 PM   #14
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Default Re: 2004 QB's: Rivers, Ben, Manning

I find it hilarious that this article makes the claim that Rivers had had the worst supporting cast of the three QBs, yet for several years, everybody was always talking about how the Chargers were by far the most talented team in the NFL, and how they were practically guaranteed to win the Super Bowl.
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I find it hilarious that this article makes the claim that Rivers had had the worst supporting cast of the three QBs, yet for several years, everybody was always talking about how the Chargers were by far the most talented team in the NFL, and how they were practically guaranteed to win the Super Bowl.
And it should be noted that from 2007-11 the AFC West was almost certainly the weakest division in the AFC, if not all of football. Twice an 8-8 team took the division. Only once were there two >.500 teams in the same season (2010).
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Living in San Diego, I've seen tons of Chargers games. A few things...



1. Rivers falls behind/struggles in the first half... and then, puts up big numbers in the second half against prevent defenses.



2. Rivers throws away/fumbles away games. He is NOT clutch. Yes, he has fewer INTs, but as SuperBowl XXX showed: it's not the number of INTs, but "when" they occur.



3. Speaking of choking, Rivers isn't good in the playoffs. Period.



4. He had no supporting cast??? What??? He had LT and Gates.



5. He's the biggest crybaby in the NFL. I don't care if he throws for 75 TDs in a season, I wouldn't want him as my QB.
I agree with you. Scratch Rivers unless he wins 2 rings and finishes strong his remaining years in the league, Elway style. So if Ben and Eli retired tomorrow, who gets in in your opinion. Or if Both QB's play 3-4 above average years without Super Bowls, do either get in? Who first?



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I think Phil Rivers is a great Qb and a great teammate. But I don't think we'd have won two SB's with him in place of Ben.

I'm not a big stats guy because they never tell the whole story or reveal the whole picture, and Ben is one of the more difficult to judge on stats alone, unless that stat is wins.
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Had to be Prisco after the horse he was trying to fuck kicked him in the balls!
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I agree with you. Scratch Rivers unless he wins 2 rings and finishes strong his remaining years in the league, Elway style. So if Ben and Eli retired tomorrow, who gets in in your opinion. Or if Both QB's play 3-4 above average years without Super Bowls, do either get in? Who first?
Good question.

I think that BB is the better QB. What he does can't be measured in stats: his escapability, his knack for extending posts, his toughness. BB's drive in XLIII is the BEST drive in SuperBowl history. And, if one wants to use stats, BB puts up more points in the playoffs than Brady, Rodgers, et al.

BUT... the Manning name will get Eli in first.
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