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Old 07-09-2014, 09:37 AM   #21
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Philip Rivers is more or less this generation's Boomer Esiason/Drew Bledsoe* and neither of those guys are in the Hall, nor will they ever be.

*And/or possibly Brian Sipe, but he was way before my time so I don't know for sure.
Try Bernie Kosar and Vinny T!
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Old 07-09-2014, 09:38 AM   #22
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A Chargers fan. A delusional one at that.
Nah... even Chargers fans don't like Philip Rivers.
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Old 07-09-2014, 10:20 AM   #23
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And it should be noted that from 2007-11 the AFC West was almost certainly the weakest division in the AFC, if not all of football. Twice an 8-8 team took the division. Only once were there two >.500 teams in the same season (2010).
And let's not forget those all-time great AFC West defenses he's been going against his entire career.....twice a year. ....every year.



I think he's a very good quarterback. He's not as good as Big Ben and it's not close.
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Old 07-09-2014, 10:45 AM   #24
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Playing QB has a lot more to do than just stats. In fact, stats are the last thing you should look at when choosing a QB. First and foremost, your QB MUST be a leader. If the other players in the huddle don't respect him your never going to win with him. Second, he has to be physically tough. Again, your teammates must respect their leader to not back down when the going gets tough. And finally, he must be able to overcome adversity. During every game, especially in the playoffs, you must be mentally tough. Your teammates follow your lead. If you don't panic under duress, they won't either. Making the big play when it really counts is much more important than any stats. Bart Starr is a prime example of what I'm talking about. Nothing special, just a great leader, and Mr. Clutch. He called the winning play in the Ice Bowl. That tells you how much respect Lombardi had for him. He ran the play without question. Check his stats, all they say are, win, win, win, win...... Now that's my kind of stats!
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Rivers doing more WITH LESS!?

So I guess nobody remembers "The Chargers are the most talented team in the NFL - this is their year!" every year for about 6 years..
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And let's not forget those all-time great AFC West defenses he's been going against his entire career.....twice a year. ....every year.



I think he's a very good quarterback. He's not as good as Big Ben and it's not close.
Funny how level of competition of defenses a QB faces never gets brought up when discussing stats.
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I agree with you. Scratch Rivers unless he wins 2 rings and finishes strong his remaining years in the league, Elway style. So if Ben and Eli retired tomorrow, who gets in in your opinion. Or if Both QB's play 3-4 above average years without Super Bowls, do either get in? Who first?
Eli gets in first because of the New York connect and his namesake.
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Funny how level of competition of defenses a QB faces never gets brought up when discussing stats.
Nobody ever wants to mention playing 8 games every year in perfect weather in San Diego either.

How do you think he'd do playing in 8 starts in Pittsburgh, with one each in Baltimore, Cleveland, and Cincinnati for a total of 11 games in shitty NE climates.

The complete lack of thought in the River's orgasm piece is staggering.

The funniest part of all is that guys that played the game that now work in the media fall for this crap as well. The same ones that refuse to see that Drew Brees is half the quarterback outdoors as he is in the comfort of his dome with perfect conditions and crowd noise.

The same morons that go on and on about Manning and Brady, who are great players, but average less points per playoff start than Roethlisberger when they are playing quality defenses and teams that actually game plan for every playoff game.

Somehow, it escapes all of them.

We couldn't have gotten a better quarterback to play meaningful football in crappy weather in Pittsburgh.....or anywhere else.
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Nobody ever wants to mention playing 8 games every year in perfect weather in San Diego either.

How do you think he'd do playing in 8 starts in Pittsburgh, with one each in Baltimore, Cleveland, and Cincinnati for a total of 11 games in shitty NE climates.

The complete lack of thought in the River's orgasm piece is staggering.

The funniest part of all is that guys that played the game that now work in the media fall for this crap as well. The same ones that refuse to see that Drew Brees is half the quarterback outdoors as he is in the comfort of his dome with perfect conditions and crowd noise.

The same morons that go on and on about Manning and Brady, who are great players, but average less points per playoff start than Roethlisberger when they are playing quality defenses and teams that actually game plan for every playoff game.

Somehow, it escapes all of them.

We couldn't have gotten a better quarterback to play meaningful football in crappy weather in Pittsburgh.....or anywhere else.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Totally agree.
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Good question.

I think that BB is the better QB. What he does can't be measured in stats: his escapability, his knack for extending posts, his toughness. BB's drive in XLIII is the BEST drive in SuperBowl history. And, if one wants to use stats, BB puts up more points in the playoffs than Brady, Rodgers, et al.

BUT... the Manning name will get Eli in first.
Each QB has a something to prove for the rest of their careers if they want to be locks for the Hall. Rivers must at least challenge for championships and not be a numbers guy. Eli has had the worst one 1 1/2 seasons in NFL history and has to get back to at least being a decent QB. Ben needs to lead the Steelers to the playoffs to dispel the myth that he rode the coat tails of great Defenses early in his career. Time will tell. I think Ben has the best shot.
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