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Old 08-13-2014, 04:08 PM   #51
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Until then, deal with it.
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I am sure you have your statistics correct. Until the roster is finalized, those players are still Steelers and I still expect some fire and brimstone. The opposing team is undergoing the same situation. I do not believe it to be out of line to expect an intense level of play during their preseason effort.
See, the problem with your stance is, you think playing well and playing with intensity is mutually exclusive. They're not.
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Old 08-13-2014, 05:23 PM   #53
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Losses to bad teams and not getting blowouts is a symptom of poor line play on both sides of the ball. If they improve there, results will follow.

Aside from the complete breakdown on the long TD run against the Giants, the starters looked good on both counts.

A lot of work to be done, but I don't think they're losing because they are overlooking teams. They've just not been consistent because they had trouble blocking and tackling.

It's all about blocking and tackling.
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Old 08-14-2014, 08:55 AM   #54
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See, the problem with your stance is, you think playing well and playing with intensity is mutually exclusive. They're not.
I do not believe that playing well and playing with intensity are exclusive of each other. They certainly can be, but I have no problem with lousy play on the field, as long as the intensity and effort are there. Sometimes the natural breaks of the game will not be overcome (inopportune turnover, horrible officials' call, injury....).We're not going to win every game and sometimes even our best efforts will be to no avail.

My concern is that I saw the same pattern. Absolutely it was only the first preseason game. Just as absolute is the premise that quite a few of the players will not be on the roster when the regular season begins. Likewise, the pattern of the Steelers the past few years has been to play to the competition, whether it be a high caliber opponent, or a lesser one. Give up a few points, scramble back and take the lead, then blow it on a late game defensive lapse.

Granted, they were preseason players. But, the Steelers are notorious for playing the same way when it counts.
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I do not believe that playing well and playing with intensity are exclusive of each other. They certainly can be, but I have no problem with lousy play on the field, as long as the intensity and effort are there. Sometimes the natural breaks of the game will not be overcome (inopportune turnover, horrible officials' call, injury....).We're not going to win every game and sometimes even our best efforts will be to no avail.

My concern is that I saw the same pattern. Absolutely it was only the first preseason game. Just as absolute is the premise that quite a few of the players will not be on the roster when the regular season begins. Likewise, the pattern of the Steelers the past few years has been to play to the competition, whether it be a high caliber opponent, or a lesser one. Give up a few points, scramble back and take the lead, then blow it on a late game defensive lapse.

Granted, they were preseason players. But, the Steelers are notorious for playing the same way when it counts.
I understand where you're coming from. I generally dont agree with it, as I tend to not look for immeasurable reasons for a loss. I accept that we didnt play as well as them that day (most likely), and then look for ways on how to improve. Improving attitude, like you suggested, is only going to get you so far. Improving talent is always the FAR better way of improving the team.

I just dont like the excuse that we lose to bad opponents because we play down to them. I view it as trying to explain away poor play. You can play poorly on any given sunday, but still be giving 100% effort.

And how the hell do you determine that a player isnt trying hard enough? I dont doubt that some games there COULD be better effort, but it's always going to take a back seat to quite a few reasons for a loss or a close game.

We've been an 8-8 football team for two years in a row now. It's the definition of average. I dont see it as a trend of not playing hard enough or only playing to the competition, I see it as a trend of not being good enough. We havent been good enough the past two years. I dont see any reason to try and explain that away with excuses that none of us can legitimately determine from the three and a half hours we get to see these guys play a week.
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I understand where you're coming from. I generally dont agree with it, as I tend to not look for immeasurable reasons for a loss. I accept that we didnt play as well as them that day (most likely), and then look for ways on how to improve. Improving attitude, like you suggested, is only going to get you so far. Improving talent is always the FAR better way of improving the team.

I just dont like the excuse that we lose to bad opponents because we play down to them. I view it as trying to explain away poor play. You can play poorly on any given sunday, but still be giving 100% effort.

And how the hell do you determine that a player isnt trying hard enough? I dont doubt that some games there COULD be better effort, but it's always going to take a back seat to quite a few reasons for a loss or a close game.

We've been an 8-8 football team for two years in a row now. It's the definition of average. I dont see it as a trend of not playing hard enough or only playing to the competition, I see it as a trend of not being good enough. We havent been good enough the past two years. I dont see any reason to try and explain that away with excuses that none of us can legitimately determine from the three and a half hours we get to see these guys play a week.
It's much easier for fans to accept that it's the new Coach's fault, somehow his mentality is inferior and he's projecting on the team, than to man up and admit that their team just hasn't been very talented the last few years.
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It's much easier for fans to accept that it's the new Coach's fault, somehow his mentality is inferior and he's projecting on the team, than to man up and admit that their team just hasn't been very talented the last few years.
Exactly. The Steelers teams of the past two years remind me of the teams Cowher had from '98-'00.... except the '12-'13 teams had a franchise QB. Roethlisberger is the only thing that kept the Steelers from 6-10 or worse. The talent has been lacking... and hopefully this is the year the youth movement steps up.
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The past two teams actually stack up better overall IMO than those 98-00 teams IMO

there is no denying a fast start, then injuries, then down the toilet then

slow start because of injuries, fast finish

I think this is the year they put those two halves together towards at least a wildcard spot

EDIT - shit, I think I just opened up the "injuries aren't an excuse can"

they aren't, but - look at the difference it made both in production and from a mentality standpoint of the team
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What the '14 team has over the '12 and '13 is that on paper, there is no part on the team that says "They have no future upside there" or "changes really need to made there".

Every single position has newfound youth with tons of potential. Except QB and maybe corner, the youth movement has been completed. D-Line for the most part is fine, The Linebackers are good, the Secondary is decent, the Offensive Line is shaping up good, and the WR's are okay.

It's all a matter of waiting to see if the team's talent will come together or not instead of "Damn, we need to really upgrade our talent there next offseason there".

Of course, it's all on paper so far. We'll see once the games get going.
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