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Old 09-16-2006, 11:53 AM   #1
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Ok...I was born and raised Catholic but now I am not that religious...

I read what the Pope said recently that caused the Muslim world to go into outrage. If you haven't heard this, he basically quoted a Pope from centuries ago who siad that Mohammed and Muslims spread their religion "by the sword".

Okay...some agree, some don't. No big deal, if that's his opinion, so be it.

Now, Muslims from here to wazoo are up in arms claiming they have been hurt and devastated. What the f*ck??!!!

How f*cking hypocritical is that? These people will march and protest comments they don't agree with but when members of their own religion kill women and children as part of a "Jihad"....not a peep.

Why aren't these people as outraged at the fantatics in their own religion causing them more damage then the Pope ever could????

This is a crazy world, folks. And, trust me, Christians are not the problem. People bitch about Bush and other christians in politics, but as a non religious person, I am much more scared of the dudes flying planes into buildings and beheading people for their god!!!!!!!!
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Old 09-16-2006, 01:12 PM   #2
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Nothin against anyone who is Islamic, but the pope was right in many ways. I will say that I know that not all muslims are like that but history and present have shown that there is much violence that stems out of the teachings of the religion as well as the culture that predates and now co-exists and contributes the religion of Islam. As more extremists groups of Islam rise up around the world the more battle lines are drawn. It's only a matter of time before this scary situation erupts around the world.

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Ok...I was born and raised Catholic but now I am not that religious...

I read what the Pope said recently that caused the Muslim world to go into outrage. If you haven't heard this, he basically quoted a Pope from centuries ago who siad that Mohammed and Muslims spread their religion "by the sword".

Okay...some agree, some don't. No big deal, if that's his opinion, so be it.

Now, Muslims from here to wazoo are up in arms claiming they have been hurt and devastated. What the f*ck??!!!

How f*cking hypocritical is that? These people will march and protest comments they don't agree with but when members of their own religion kill women and children as part of a "Jihad"....not a peep.

Why aren't these people as outraged at the fantatics in their own religion causing them more damage then the Pope ever could????

This is a crazy world, folks. And, trust me, Christians are not the problem. People bitch about Bush and other christians in politics, but as a non religious person, I am much more scared of the dudes flying planes into buildings and beheading people for their god!!!!!!!!
while Im a Patriots fan, let me just take the time to tell you guys in Pittsburgh, given the choice, if I had to move east again, I would move to Pittsburgh before I would EVER consider going back to Boston.

Ive been posting back there, and believe me, they blame Christians for EVERYTHING.
a real hatred whenever the name Jesus is ever mentioned. And they'll defend Muslims day and night. its spooky.

id never take my kids to live back there.
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while Im a Patriots fan, let me just take the time to tell you guys in Pittsburgh, given the choice, if I had to move east again, I would move to Pittsburgh before I would EVER consider going back to Boston.

Ive been posting back there, and believe me, they blame Christians for EVERYTHING.
a real hatred whenever the name Jesus is ever mentioned. And they'll defend Muslims day and night. its spooky.

id never take my kids to live back there.

You notice that too??? I try to be a moderate and look at all sides but i find it funny that liberals rail agains the Christian "right" and about seperation of church and state yet say nothing about the religious dictatorships in the Middle East that shun women and have all kinds of human rights violations.

It is the prime example of hypocracy in our society.

I will repeat...I am much more scared of a fundamentalist Islamic Jihadist then i am of a fundamentalist Christian...even though i disagree with both.

What's wrong with people?

I am not a huge Bill O'Reilly follower but on this topic I completely agree with him.
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I'm just going to voice my reaction to what I saw on the news today-I'lladmit it was the first time I'd heard of it-I don't watch alot of tv, but I agree with the hypocritical aspect of the whole thing, & to tell the truth, I'm really starting to get sick of it.
Why is it ok for the world to turn the collective cheek to whatever attrocities the Muslims decide to throw at us from one day to the next? I've seen alot of televised protests where they are burning our flag, burning a symbol of the Pope, burning this, burning that, screaming in the streets over something or another on any given day, but GOD FORBID we as Americans do the same! And then they turn around & use our political correct mentality against us when we react in a ""gasp"" negative way!!
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I'm just going to voice my reaction to what I saw on the news today-I'lladmit it was the first time I'd heard of it-I don't watch alot of tv, but I agree with the hypocritical aspect of the whole thing, & to tell the truth, I'm really starting to get sick of it.
Why is it ok for the world to turn the collective cheek to whatever attrocities the Muslims decide to throw at us from one day to the next? I've seen alot of televised protests where they are burning our flag, burning a symbol of the Pope, burning this, burning that, screaming in the streets over something or another on any given day, but GOD FORBID we as Americans do the same! And then they turn around & use our political correct mentality against us when we react in a ""gasp"" negative way!!
We should have turned that country into a parking lot long ago

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I'm not looking for the Pope to apoplogize any time soon; it's not part of being the pope. I'm very sure he chose his words carefully and considered their impact before he said them. Remember that within Catholicism, the pope is considered the infallible voice of God. To apologize would mean that the words were a mistake, and I'm very certain that the Pope does not consider what he said a mistake, or wrong. He will not back down.

I'm pretty impressed with what he said. He took today's conflict and set it inside both an historical and philosophical perspective, yet extended a hard invitation to dialogue and thought (which went unmentioned among the rest of the world, whom only focused on the inflammatory part of his statement that was a quote of a 15th century emperor).

The Pope and I have some pretty serious disagreements on many issues, but he is an intellectual and spiritual powerhouse, especially compared to those calling for his apology. To them, he is another man, another world leader. But he is a lot more than that; he doesn't speak for the western world when he speaks, he speaks for the Catholic church and Catholic thought and creed and doctrine. I really don't see a horde of irate Muslim and atheist pundits changing the doctrine of the Catholic Church, let alone the rabble and rank and file.


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I find it amazin that so often many organized governments around the world often cower and appease what is essentially a small bunch of extreme, disorganized, and terroristic groups. If instead that energy was collected together amongst those nations they could work out a solution to eradicate these dangerous individuals that threaten the great population around the world.

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I'm not looking for the Pope to apoplogize any time soon; it's not part of being the pope. I'm very sure he chose his words carefully and considered their impact before he said them. Remember that within Catholicism, the pope is considered the infallible voice of God. To apologize would mean that the words were a mistake, and I'm very certain that the Pope does not consider what he said a mistake, or wrong. He will not back down.

I'm pretty impressed with what he said. He took today's conflict and set it inside both an historical and philosophical perspective, yet extended a hard invitation to dialogue and thought (which went unmentioned among the rest of the world, whom only focused on the inflammatory part of his statement that was a quote of a 15th century emperor).

The Pope and I have some pretty serious disagreements on many issues, but he is an intellectual and spiritual powerhouse, especially compared to those calling for his apology. To them, he is another man, another world leader. But he is a lot more than that; he doesn't speak for the western world when he speaks, he speaks for the Catholic church and Catholic thought and creed and doctrine. I really don't see a horde of irate Muslim and atheist pundits changing the doctrine of the Catholic Church, let alone the rabble and rank and file.


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Great post, Tom. I agree completely.
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I'm still waiting for an apology for hijacking three airplanes and killing over 300 innocent people all in the name of allah (I refuse to start it with a capital letter) for the bombing of the USS Cole, and beheading civilians because they are American or Christain, or Jewishand a multitude of other senseless killings by radical Muslims all over the world.

I happen to be highly offended by all these acts but I've never heard even one apology.
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