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Old 11-03-2006, 10:39 AM   #1
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Default Leader of evangelical council resigns over allegations of gay affair...

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COLORADO SPRINGS, Colorado (CNN) -- The president of the National Association of Evangelicals resigned Thursday after accusations by a male prostitute that the pastor paid him for sex over three years.

The Rev. Ted Haggard said he also is temporarily stepping aside from the pulpit of his church in Colorado Springs pending an internal investigation by the church.

The church official who temporarily has assumed Haggard's post said late Thursday that there has been "some admission of guilt," but not to all of the allegations. He did not give any more details.

Now, I don't really care about this, and I didn't bring it up to point out any hypocrisy; we all have to stew in our own juice, including me sometimes. I wish the man nothing but peace of mind and comfort in who he is, whoever that might be.

What I want to discuss is, why do these guys all rail against homosexuality as if it was something that is a constant temptation? I mean, if you're straight, it's not even an issue; you have no desire at all, resisting homosexual encounters isn't even an issue. There is no temptation to resist, it would be like resisting jumping off a cliff. I'm no psychologist, but in my head something is telling me that if you have someone who is constantly preaching to resist an urge, that guy knows what that urge feels like.


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Old 11-03-2006, 11:26 AM   #2
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Default Re: Leader of evangelical council resigns over allegations of gay affair...

Hmm well I guess alot of people with religious affiliations see the world in a very black and white fashion.

Homosexuality is a sin, and not only that, but just like other sins it is down to the personal choice of the 'sinner'.

I dont get the impression that people who preach against homosexuality actually think everyone is susceptible to this 'temptation' just that those who do sucuumb to the 'urge' are weak of mind and spirit.

I think plenty of people who preach to others , who find the need to lay out the laws of what is acceptable and what is not, are often narrow minded individuals.

I dont however think that those who preach against certain 'sins' necessarily need to be guilty of that 'sin' themselves - its just demonstrating a lack of empathy and tolerance for people who are different to the 'norm' that is forced on us.

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Default Re: Leader of evangelical council resigns over allegations of gay affair...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15536263/

Now the guy admits he bought meth off the escort, but didn't use it:

"I bought it for myself but never used it," Haggard told reporters gathered outside his home. "I was tempted, but I never used it."

Weak!
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Default Re: Leader of evangelical council resigns over allegations of gay affair...

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15536263/

Now the guy admits he bought meth off the escort, but didn't use it:

"I bought it for myself but never used it," Haggard told reporters gathered outside his home. "I was tempted, but I never used it."

Weak!
Kinda like,

I hit the joint, but I did not inhale!

Sounds kinda like the same thing.
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Default Re: Leader of evangelical council resigns over allegations of gay affair...

Isn't it funny how you can barely raise a subject without it turning into a republican vs democrat p*ssing match.

And by 'funny' I mean boring and repetitive.

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Default Re: Leader of evangelical council resigns over allegations of gay affair...

Hell, I'm just happy the guy wasn't caught with an eight year old boy....
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Isn't it funny how you can barely raise a subject without it turning into a republican vs democrat p*ssing match.

And by 'funny' I mean boring and repetitive.

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Default Re: Leader of evangelical council resigns over allegations of gay affair...

I realize I am quite late in this thread... but I figured I need to respond now that I have read it.

Why do conservative evangelical pastors preach against Homosexuality?

Interesting question. Theologically, all sex outside of marriage between man and woman is sin. It is all the same. Therefore, theologically, there is no difference between a person engaging in homosexualtiy and one engaging in heterosexuality (outside of marriage).

I think the reason pastors preach specifically against homosexuality is that they perceive a change of culture and are not correctly addressing the change. Since the Second Great Awakening (mid-1800's), American culture has by-in-large held the same moral standards as Christianity. As a result, the American church has become a trustee of culture, rather than a messenger for Christ.

The result of that issue is that many preachers end up preaching on sins that threaten comfortability in society rather than the tapestry of sin scripture discusses.

Now, I am a conservative evangelical preacher. I am here to tell you that I am just as human as every one of you. I deal with the same temptations, likes, dislikes, anger, as everyone else. Because of the emotional/community isolation forced on pastors, many pastors end up acting out in self-destructive ways. It is very sad.

However, and LITP, this is directed to your post,
It is not that we are "Close-minded." It is rather that we have a vastly different identification and world view. Scripture teaches there are absolute rights and wrongs. There is NOTHING I can do to change those rights and wrongs. In the end, it is my responsibility to annunciate those truths to the world, so that the rest of the world may be warned that they too will be judged by those absolutes. I can't simply "Change my mind." I can say that water is not wet all I want, it does not change the fact that it is still wet.

It also has NOTHING to do with me not being empathetic or tolerant. I get somewhat upset at hearing this charge time and again. I have sat and basic baby sat a AIDS stricken man as he was too sick and high to take care of himself. My friend (another pastor) has sat on the edge of a gay man's bed and just hugged him in his last hours before dying of AIDS... even when the doctors refuse to touch him. Please, Lay off the lack of empathy. It simply is not true.

Nor is the lack of tolerance true. Tolerance is being redefined. Tolerance is not acceptance. I tolerate EVERYONE in my community. I RESPECT everyone in my community (unless they root for the Bengals). However, that does not mean I accept lifestyles and actions as appropriate or right.

And yes, I have had many friends who are homosexual. I also have many friends who are mormon, JW, jewish, a few that are muslim, even a couple that claim buddhism and hinduism.

All of this to say, pastors are charged with two responsibilities. 1. Annunciate the absolutes espoused by scripture and 2. live a life that does not cause people to doubt the first responsibility.

Unfortunetly, Ted Haggard failed in the latter. However, it doesn't negate the former.
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Nor is the lack of tolerance true. Tolerance is being redefined. Tolerance is not acceptance. I tolerate EVERYONE in my community. I RESPECT everyone in my community (unless they root for the Bengals).


Love it!! - you claim tolerance for all mankind except Bengal fans
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Default Re: Leader of evangelical council resigns over allegations of gay affair...

Preacher, I find danger in a literal reading of the bible; I find that many people are selective in the parts that they choose to believe and those which they disregard.

To the situation of Ted Haggard, I believe that he is a good man, and I wish him peace. From what I've read, he has been a leader in pointing out the importance of not just believing, but in living the word of god; after all, faith without works is dead.


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