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Old 01-01-2007, 09:32 AM   #1
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Default Lack of discipline almost cost us this one, too...

Now that the thrill has settled a little bit, let's reflect a moment. Even to the last, lack of discipline was a problem this year.

A 15 yard taunting penalty for Willie Colon. Puts us from the 5 to the 20, and later on Parker fumbles at the 1... momentum killer. A 98 yard drive with no points. It actually turned that 98 yard drive into a 113 yard drive with no points.

A 15 yard roughing penalty on Farrior. It was going to be 2nd and 10, we had a chance to break the drive's momentum (after Palmer had completed 4 straight short passes). Sure, a couple years ago that play was OK. But now it's not, and he definitely drove the guy into the ground when he didn't have to. You could correctly argue that the Steelers have ALWAYS played this way... but you take that roughing penalty early in the game, not in the 4th quarter with the game on the line.

They won, but not before they tried not to.


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Old 01-01-2007, 09:39 AM   #2
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"It will never happen again"
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Old 01-01-2007, 09:41 AM   #3
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Default Re: Lack of discipline almost cost us this one, too...

I've never seen a perfectly played football game yet.

We won........we didn't get into the playoffs but we did the job of knocking the Bengals out of the playoffs. We ended on high note and exposed the Bungles for the losers they are. All in all, I can live with this for another 9 months.
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Old 01-01-2007, 09:47 AM   #4
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I've never seen a perfectly played football game yet.
Neither have I. But I have witnessed a team listen to their "coach" when it comes to not taking stupid penalties on a consistent basis.

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We won........we didn't get into the playoffs but we did the job of knocking the Bengals out of the playoffs. We ended on high note and exposed the Bungles for the losers they are.
If these type of penalties only occured during yesterday's game it would not be a big deal in my book. But that has not been the case. It's been happening all season long. Yeah, it was nice to take the Bengals out (not sure what that has to do with this particular topic), but that doesn't excuse the type of penalties this team has taken all year long.

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All in all, I can live with this for another 9 months.
Glad to hear you can. Wish I could say the same.
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Old 01-01-2007, 09:49 AM   #5
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Default Re: Lack of discipline almost cost us this one, too...

The Colon penalty was inexcusable, but the Farrior call is as much a reflection on the screwed up interpretation of the rules to protect the QBs at all costs as lack of discipline by Farrior - I admit this observation is based on my view Farrior is by far the most disciplined of the LBs.

That having been said, I agree the turnovers (don't forget Ben's decision to yet again throw it down the middle of the field for another INT) and penalties reflect a recurring lack of focus. All of us will be looking back fondly on Cowher's complete coaching record, but IMHO this season ranks with 1999 (another undisciplined team that almost got him fired) as Cowher's worst year of coaching.
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A taunting penalty on an offensive lineman ?? WTF I have never heard of one being called like that, pure BS. With all the jawing that WRs, RBs, LBs, do to make a call like that is a punk move on the officials part!!

As far as the Farrior penalty, another BS call ! He flat out sacked him !! As the announcers put it "his body language showed him driving him to the turf", he made a perfectly legal hit. Those ref's ought be cleaning up their knees and chins,they were definitely blowing that game!!

There were a lot of stupid penalties this year,but how can you honestly blame the coaching staff ?? Bottom line is it's the players responsibility. What goes in one game may not be permitted the next game...
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If these type of penalties only occured during yesterday's game it would not be a big deal in my book. But that has not been the case. It's been happening all season long. Yeah, it was nice to take the Bengals out (not sure what that has to do with this particular topic), but that doesn't excuse the type of penalties this team has taken all year long.
Yep, that's exactly my point, 126. It wasn't isolated, it was a syndrome of the team attitude that affected the outcome of the season.

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but the Farrior call is as much a reflection on the screwed up interpretation of the rules to protect the QBs at all costs as lack of discipline by Farrior
I agree, and I'd agree with anyone who said that this was just Steeler football. But you have to choose your moments to make the intimidation hit at the cost of 15 yards, and a 4th quarter drive for victory ain't the place. Often a linebacker hits the QB after the ball is gone and does not wrap him up and slam him, not just this year but going back maybe 4 or 5 years. He didn't have to add the wrap and slam, which is why the penalty was called.


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Often a linebacker hits the QB after the ball is gone and does not wrap him up and slam him, not just this year but going back maybe 4 or 5 years. He didn't have to add the wrap and slam, which is why the penalty was called.

He hit him just as the ball was leaving, when he started his tackle Caution palmer could have very easily pulled the pass back down. If he does that and Farrior does not wrap and finish, slips off then what??? The way to tackle is to wrap him up. the follow through was just his momentum, nothing more !!!
There was NOTHING dirty or cheap about that hit that a penalty should have been called for... WTF put a skirt on him,it's a contact sport!!!!
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A taunting penalty on an offensive lineman ?? WTF I have never heard of one being called like that, pure BS. With all the jawing that WRs, RBs, LBs, do to make a call like that is a punk move on the officials part!!
I'd bet just as much jawing goes on in the line, too. A taunt has to be pretty obvious to be called, and taunting is the kind of thing that causes brawls if not controlled.

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As far as the Farrior penalty, another BS call ! He flat out sacked him !! As the announcers put it "his body language showed him driving him to the turf", he made a perfectly legal hit. Those ref's ought be cleaning up their knees and chins,they were definitely blowing that game!!
I think they got that one right; Farrior didn't have to follow through with the wrap and slam. I wish the rule wasn't like that, but the call was right. And he didn't sack him, the ball was gone, which was the reason for the call.

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There were a lot of stupid penalties this year,but how can you honestly blame the coaching staff ?? Bottom line is it's the players responsibility. What goes in one game may not be permitted the next game...
I didn't single out the coaching staff. But it is telling that you thought I did, because you considered that conclusion yourself before rejecting it. The coaching staff is part of the team, and part of what they do is stand back from the field and control discipline, keep the players focused on the big picture. The type of problem I brought up in this thread is due to guys getting caught up in the moment and forgetting how what they do can affect the big picture. Is it the coaches not doing the job, or the players not paying attention? I don't know which, but either way it was a problem all year that has to be addressed.


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but how can you honestly blame the coaching staff ?? Bottom line is it's the players responsibility.
I never stated that I put the "full blame" on the coaching staff. At the same, last time I checked instilling discipline is in a HC's job description. Cowher's message is obviously not getting through. IMO Cowher is to blame just as much as the players.
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