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Old 01-23-2007, 11:24 PM   #11
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The way that the Patriots share out the cap room, its always with one eye on maximising the talent level across the 53 - thats how we have made these postseason appearances despite lengthy injury lists.

A couple of exceptions to this rule are Richard Seymour and Tom Brady, arguably they are both the best at their position in the NFL.

If we had a young Rodney Harrison on board (or a Troy P) then Belichick/pioli may view them as worth paying the going rate for - I dont think that the Patriots management view Samuel in the same way.

My honest opinion is that its just a case of who he leaves to play for next year and what compensation we get.

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Do you do a lot of drugs? Because that's the only way you could make an argument for Tom Brady as the best quaterback in the NFL.
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Old 01-23-2007, 11:27 PM   #12
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Do you do a lot of drugs? Because that's the only way you could make an argument for Tom Brady as the best quaterback in the NFL.
Actually,no I dont Jeremy.

Plenty of people outside of strict Patriots fans would agree, you obviously dont - and thats fine.

Who gets your vote?

Peyton Manning?

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The Patriots didn't bother with swagger to start this NFL season; they went straight to defiant. Either you're one of them or you're about to get crushed.
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Old 01-23-2007, 11:32 PM   #13
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Actually,no I dont Jeremy.

Plenty of people outside of strict Patriots fans would agree, you obviously dont - and thats fine.

Who gets your vote?

Peyton Manning?

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1. Brett Farve. Brady will never be half the player or man that Farve is, period.

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Tell you what, why don't you just stick to taking cheap shots at the Rooneys. That's what you're good at jerk.
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Old 01-23-2007, 11:35 PM   #14
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The way that the Patriots share out the cap room, its always with one eye on maximising the talent level across the 53 - thats how we have made these postseason appearances despite lengthy injury lists.

A couple of exceptions to this rule are Richard Seymour and Tom Brady, arguably they are both the best at their position in the NFL.

If we had a young Rodney Harrison on board (or a Troy P) then Belichick/pioli may view them as worth paying the going rate for - I dont think that the Patriots management view Samuel in the same way.

My honest opinion is that its just a case of who he leaves to play for next year and what compensation we get.

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It is wise to make the overall depth and or quality of the roster as a whole priority. But, with that said Samuel might just be your units 'Troy Polamalu' so to speak (ie barring injury,...inexpendable)
This is where the gamble on Belichick's part comes in IMO.
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Old 01-23-2007, 11:47 PM   #15
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It is wise to make the overall depth and or quality of the roster as a whole priority. But, with that said Samuel might just be your units 'Troy Polamalu' so to speak (ie barring injury,...inexpendable)
This is where the gamble on Belichick's part comes in IMO.
Yep, point taken.

Samuel has always been a good CB, but this year (the contract year) he has been excellent.

If he had 2 years of excellent contribution I would have been a little more sold on him, then again - what I think doesnt really matter.

As you say, its BB/Pioli who have to make the choice - its a gamble either way.

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It is wise to make the overall depth and or quality of the roster as a whole priority. But, with that said Samuel might just be your units 'Troy Polamalu' so to speak (ie barring injury,...inexpendable)
This is where the gamble on Belichick's part comes in IMO.

Yeah, but he isn't Troy Polamalu.

You can't be myopic and value a player by what he is compared to what else you have. That would be a prescription for disaster. You have to value him compared to the total pool of talent in the NFL. After all, that's who you play every Sunday.
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You have to value him compared to the total pool of talent in the NFL. After all, that's who you play every Sunday.




And with that said,.....exactly how many corners would you rank above Samuel at this very moment ?
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And with that said,.....exactly how many corners would you rank above Samuel at this very moment ?
Off the top of my head.

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And with that said,.....exactly how many corners would you rank above Samuel at this very moment ?
At this very moment?

Lets see. It's Wednesday, January 24th, 2007 at 2:28:09 AM EST, UTC/GMT -5.

I'd say 8.2974. Depends on what time DeAngelo Hall went to bed.

I know that response is a little curt, but I feel like you're pressing me here. What more do you want me to say? I think it's apparent what I feel the Patriots won't do in this case. They won't get locked into a long term big money contract with Asante Samuel. They might offer him more then they'd like to for a year, but not long term.

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I just think that the Patsies should trade him (Asante) to the Steelers for our 3rd or 4th round pick, I mean atleast get something for the kid while you can. He looked washed up this whole season, I wouldnt want him on my team either
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