Arians streamlines offensive playbook - Page 2

JDB in N.C. · 02-07-2007, 07:49 AM

I like what Arians is saying!!!!! With the capabilities we have in the passing game PLEASE USE THEM!!!!! Mix up the play calling and simplify for the players, AWESOME!!!!

We can do more than just line up and RUN IT EVERY FIRST DOWN. Ben is the man and he can handle it!! I know he can. ROCK ON!!!!!

***Atlanta Dan*** · 02-07-2007, 08:17 AM

With all the changes it is good that the Steelers get the extra HOF exhibition game and additional practice time.

In addition to recovering from the appendectomy and the crash, IMHO a big reason Ben and the offense did not get in sync until the KC game was teh lack of preseason game reps.

I am not wild about the receiving corps behind Hines & Holmes, but this team has bigger needs to address (OL & LB) than WR in the draft.

coachspeak33 · 02-07-2007, 08:18 AM

4 wides on first down.... not a bad idea if you have Marvin H., Reggie W, Dallas Clark, brandon stoakley, etc....

We need to add another weapon on the offensive side of the ball if they are gonna play that style of offense...IMO

Big D · 02-07-2007, 08:26 AM

I have concerns about arians since he did fail here in cleveland. I like the fact he is changing the playbook though. I love the idea of having 4 wideouts. I'm assuming they will be Ward, Holmes, Washington and probably reid. I wish training camp started tommorow.

DACEB · 02-07-2007, 08:57 AM

I think as LITP stated we can use Heath as a 4th WR in the 4 WR set. Does anyone think Dallas Clark is a better TE or better siuted for that than Heath?(hell no) You can line up in a 3 WR set then shift to 4 wide. I don't believe there are many LB's that can cover Heath, and if an additional CB is brought in we spring FWP. I really like this idea and believe we have the WR's in Ward, Holmes, Washington and Wilson or Reid (you notice I put Nate 3rd and not Wilson) or as stated above Heath. Imagine the blocking with Ward and Heath on run plays out of that set. We all have stated we need Heath more involved in the passing game, this could be one way to do that.

***tony hipchest*** · 02-07-2007, 09:01 AM

during the erhardt era, odonnell had

thigpen
graham
mills
johnson
stewart
and TE green to throw to.

odonnell still holds the record for fewest int / passing attempts over a career. im sure this is the goal in mind with ben.

when arians was in cleveland they were thought to have a very good and deep wr corps 1-4 (northcutt, morgan, johnson, davis)

the routes and the scheme are gonna get players open so we dont need 5 great wr's.
hines, holmes, washington, heath, and wilson (if still around) could succeed in these formations. theres still w. reid who has potential.

theres the catch phrases "less is more" and "keep it simple stupid", and in this case stramlining what has proven to be a successful yet complex playbook is gonna be good for everybody, especially the rookies. more than any team the steelers have seemed more hesitant to let rookies crack the starting line up in recent years. we need to give are young players as much of a chance to succeed as possible.

stlrtruck · 02-07-2007, 09:20 AM

I like our younger receivers in Washington and Wilson (although he's middle age for a WR). But I also think that Reid can come out of the wood works this year. I think Young has some potential to take over a 4th WR spot.

But hey, I'm a little more optimistic I guess.

I also agree that this formation could open up big holes for FWP.

***Atlanta Dan*** · 02-07-2007, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DACEB

I think as LITP stated we can use Heath as a 4th WR in the 4 WR set. Does anyone think Dallas Clark is a better TE or better siuted for that than Heath?(hell no) You can line up in a 3 WR set then shift to 4 wide. I don't believe there are many LB's that can cover Heath, and if an additional CB is brought in we spring FWP. I really like this idea and believe we have the WR's in Ward, Holmes, Washington and Wilson or Reid (you notice I put Nate 3rd and not Wilson) or as stated above Heath. Imagine the blocking with Ward and Heath on run plays out of that set. We all have stated we need Heath more involved in the passing game, this could be one way to do that.

Going back to Eric Green, a hardy perennial to start every season is that the Steelers are going to throw more to the TE, after which they never do. I will wait until November or so before I conclude 2007 will be any different.

With Willie Parker's style of running, the Foster/Morris/Bettis model of ball control running was broken. Since Parker certainly is not (and should not) be going anywhere, something has to change, although since Arians cannot block his edited playbook will be of little value unless the OL steps up.

Steeldude · 02-07-2007, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by augustashark

You go back and watch some of those early 90's games and you will see that Erhardt did run 4 and 5 wides with O'Donnel.

big difference between o'donnell and BR. i can't see BR ever getting the hang of seeing 4 to 5 WRs on the field. he has enough trouble with 2.

Big D · 02-07-2007, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ?teeldude

big difference between o'donnell and BR. i can't see BR ever getting the hang of seeing 4 to 5 WRs on the field. he has enough trouble with 2.

what are you talking about?

02-07-2007, 07:49 AM	#11
JDB in N.C. Water Boy Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: I live in the beautiful mountains of Western North Carolina. Posts: 18 Gender: Male Member Number: 4909 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Arians streamlines offensive playbook I like what Arians is saying!!!!! With the capabilities we have in the passing game PLEASE USE THEM!!!!! Mix up the play calling and simplify for the players, AWESOME!!!! We can do more than just line up and RUN IT EVERY FIRST DOWN. Ben is the man and he can handle it!! I know he can. ROCK ON!!!!!

02-07-2007, 08:17 AM	#12
*Atlanta Dan* Resigned Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 9,916 Member Number: 728 Thanks: 74 Thanked 201 Times in 129 Posts	Re: Arians streamlines offensive playbook With all the changes it is good that the Steelers get the extra HOF exhibition game and additional practice time. In addition to recovering from the appendectomy and the crash, IMHO a big reason Ben and the offense did not get in sync until the KC game was teh lack of preseason game reps. I am not wild about the receiving corps behind Hines & Holmes, but this team has bigger needs to address (OL & LB) than WR in the draft.

02-07-2007, 08:18 AM	#13
coachspeak33 Banned Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 559 Gender: Male Member Number: 2231 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Arians streamlines offensive playbook 4 wides on first down.... not a bad idea if you have Marvin H., Reggie W, Dallas Clark, brandon stoakley, etc.... We need to add another weapon on the offensive side of the ball if they are gonna play that style of offense...IMO

02-07-2007, 08:26 AM	#14
Big D Living Legend Join Date: May 2006 Location: living in the field of dreams Posts: 3,330 Gender: Male Member Number: 2313 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Arians streamlines offensive playbook I have concerns about arians since he did fail here in cleveland. I like the fact he is changing the playbook though. I love the idea of having 4 wideouts. I'm assuming they will be Ward, Holmes, Washington and probably reid. I wish training camp started tommorow.

02-07-2007, 08:57 AM	#15
DACEB Banned Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,480 Gender: Male Member Number: 2911 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Arians streamlines offensive playbook I think as LITP stated we can use Heath as a 4th WR in the 4 WR set. Does anyone think Dallas Clark is a better TE or better siuted for that than Heath?(hell no) You can line up in a 3 WR set then shift to 4 wide. I don't believe there are many LB's that can cover Heath, and if an additional CB is brought in we spring FWP. I really like this idea and believe we have the WR's in Ward, Holmes, Washington and Wilson or Reid (you notice I put Nate 3rd and not Wilson) or as stated above Heath. Imagine the blocking with Ward and Heath on run plays out of that set. We all have stated we need Heath more involved in the passing game, this could be one way to do that.

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02-07-2007, 09:01 AM	#16
*tony hipchest* IRONMAN a.k.a. Tony Stark Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Give me back my game... Posts: 34,340 Member Number: 658 Thanks: 184 Thanked 230 Times in 164 Posts	Re: Arians streamlines offensive playbook during the erhardt era, odonnell had thigpen graham mills johnson stewart and TE green to throw to. odonnell still holds the record for fewest int / passing attempts over a career. im sure this is the goal in mind with ben. when arians was in cleveland they were thought to have a very good and deep wr corps 1-4 (northcutt, morgan, johnson, davis) the routes and the scheme are gonna get players open so we dont need 5 great wr's. hines, holmes, washington, heath, and wilson (if still around) could succeed in these formations. theres still w. reid who has potential. theres the catch phrases "less is more" and "keep it simple stupid", and in this case stramlining what has proven to be a successful yet complex playbook is gonna be good for everybody, especially the rookies. more than any team the steelers have seemed more hesitant to let rookies crack the starting line up in recent years. we need to give are young players as much of a chance to succeed as possible.

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