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Old 02-08-2007, 08:55 AM   #11
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I hope Greg Jr. plays for the Steelers in the future
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This is tragic, but not terribly surprising. I was never much of a Greg Lloyd fan.

I hope his son does well, he sure seems like he's got the right attitude.
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"non-contact" wasn't in his vocabulary.
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Here is an interview with Greg on 9/14/06. I read this several months ago while looking to see what happened to Greg after he retired. Very interesting article.

Greg Lloyd - Still Speaking His Mind

Khalil Garriott

Greg Lloyd - Still Speaking His Mind

Greg Lloyd walked into an autograph session in West Virginia last month, felt totally uncomfortable and wanted to leave.

He was supposed to come in that day and leave that day, but he's so far removed from football that he couldn't stand being there. Fans wanted to talk to him about the sport, but these days Lloyd has much more on his mind. And he isn't afraid to speak it.

"I don't really care [about football], that's the truth," Lloyd said. "I don't have a reason to turn on the game and watch it."

Nowadays, Lloyd is helping children develop the same kind of confidence he was famous for while striking fear in opposing offenses in the 1990s. He has a black belt in Tae Kwon Do and is an associate instructor at two martial arts schools in Georgia. Despite being the co-owner of both, he does not get a salary and enjoys taking a backseat to the Head Master.

A relentless and dynamic linebacker during his playing days, Lloyd is passing on the channeled aggression which befitted his reputation to students in his martial arts classes. In fact, his 18 years in martial arts far exceed his football longevity and it's his way of giving back to the community.

"I'm out of football and all that stuff, so I'm kind of in the back of the operation," said Lloyd, who has been considered a Master since 1999. "What I've been doing for 41 years of my life is work?I try to give that to the young ones. Don't let anybody change you?don't let peer pressure or your stupid friends change you.

"Martial arts is all about building character. You're going to have those same values for the rest of your life. We convince them that they're not only men of God, but they're worthy," he said.

For as much success as he had on the field, Lloyd has had his share of difficulties. Five times selected to the Pro Bowl, he was widely regarded as the NFL's premier linebacker during the 1990s and made three All-Pro teams. He showed the tenacity of a defensive lineman while flashing the speed of a cornerback. Beloved by Pittsburgh Steelers fans, he garnered the utmost respect around the league and could probably still deliver a few licks on opposing running backs.

But to say Lloyd was aloof toward the media and others as a player would be an understatement. Although he was never one to hold the press in the highest regard, Lloyd had no shortage of words and no problem opining about his take on the world with this writer. The man who used an expletive in a nationally-televised interview during the 1995 playoffs is a self-described "loner" who has also had some run-ins with the law. Regardless, everything in Lloyd's past is prologue to now, when he's as stern and outspoken as ever.

"I won't change?I say what I have to say regardless of who you are. If you talk down to me, then you're going to get it back in a negative way," Lloyd asserted. It's no surprise that he described himself as "immovable." "I stand out; I have a lot of discipline and a lot of morals. The world changes so much?it expects good people to succumb to all the bad things. I don't?I stand on my values as a black man raised as a black child. And I won't move on that."

As fierce a player he was for the Steelers and then the Carolina Panthers at the end of his career, Lloyd is quite the family man today. He makes his home in Fayetteville, Ga.?"one of the most racist little towns you could possibly be in"?where he prefers not to be recognized by the public. The flip side of choosing a low-profile life, Lloyd said, is the disrespect he endures on a regular basis as a black man in the South.

"You have to know who you are, and I am proud of who I am," he said. "You've got to have thick skin."

It's hard not to develop a tough exterior after experiencing what Lloyd said he witnesses on a daily basis. His wife, who is white, will often be approached immediately upon entering a store while Lloyd says he will go several minutes before being helped.

"I'm not going to change because you don't like the color of my skin," Lloyd said. "I don't change for anyone and I don't back down from anybody."

No kidding.

Lloyd doesn't hesitate when asked if he misses his playing days. "Absolutely not," he fired back. "No more schedules and I still hate running. I just [played football] because I was good at it."

A leader on and off the gridiron while with the Steelers, the "Sack Man" does think about his old teammates from time to time. He says the sole part of football that he misses is the locker room. "Grown men scared to come into the locker room because they're scared to be made fun of?that's what I miss," he admitted. "If you can survive years of playing football, you can do anything in life."

Throughout his life, Lloyd has been as diligent a worker as he was at pressuring the quarterback or dropping into coverage. With modest upbringings in childhood, he earned his career achievements and didn't inherit a single one. Today, he enjoys hunting, golfing and riding his Harley Davidson motorcycle. He also is completely devoted to God and uses that faith as inspiration and strength during family matters. The youngest of nine siblings, he has three children of his own, as well as two stepchildren.

"Football provided a way of life for me, and I'm thankful for that. But football doesn't own me," Lloyd said.

Since retiring from the NFL, Lloyd has become quite the country boy. He's had hunting property in Georgia for about nine years now and also likes to fish in his free time. He's quick to mention doing yard work and driving his Chevrolet Avalanche truck as his hobbies. He has gained a deeper perspective on life by praising God and reconnecting with his family when he does have downtime.

"I've spent so much time away from my kids and I like doing things I couldn't do when I was playing football," said Lloyd, now in his second marriage. "At the end of the day, that's who you want to come home to."

Lloyd had an unenviable start to his NFL career. Coming from a historically black college (Fort Valley State University), he said "guys kind of picked on me." A knee injury set him back during his first two years, when he was green-nosed and na?ve. But thanks to a strong work ethic and guidance from older players like "Mean Joe" Greene, he became a starter and made the Pro Bowl by his third year.

"I was a liability to the Steelers; I hadn't done anything [in the league] yet," Lloyd said of his humble NFL beginnings. "They were kind enough to keep me around."

The immovable Lloyd said his unwillingness to alter his playing style?and his personality?played a large role in his climb to the top of the NFL's elite defenders.

"I refused to change, and that's what makes you a good player. People might not like it, but they have to respect it."

Lloyd is quick to reveal that he "just kind of got out of football altogether." But that doesn't mean he doesn't notice how the NFL has changed since he last put on pads. As with everything, Lloyd has an opinion here, too.

He said, "I have a problem when I turn on the television and I hear the words 'great player.' There are not as many great players playing professional football today as there were in my era. These guys are great actors, not great players.

"Youth football is pure?it's not stained by money ? that's the part of football I like. The NFL is kind of married to all these different corporations and there's all this excess money now. For football players today, good and great is based on salary, not necessarily on performance."

Lloyd knows he was a favorite player and idol to many fans during his NFL days. He understands that. What he doesn't appreciate is the way some people act towards him, so he's trying to set the example.

"You kill ignorance with intelligence, and that's the only way to get past it," he said. "We've got to be better people; someone's got to be the better person. I had to go out and earn mine, so that's what I did and that's the same way I'm raising my [kids]."

Suffice it to say, you'd have a hard time catching Lloyd at another autograph session any time soon. He's lived his life his way, and he's very content with where it has taken him. He's been humbled by his experiences and wouldn't change a thing about his life.

"My concern is that when I have to stand before God on judgment day, will all my good outweigh my bad? Will I get permission to go on?" a reflective Lloyd asked himself.

More information on Lloyd's martial arts school, Oh Do Kwan Martial Arts, can be found at ohdokwan.com

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This is from a friend that has spent quite a bit of time with Lloyd.

I've interacted with Greg on several occasions and he actually even spoke of this to me and two other guys from the SC Mafia in the car. His ex was an extremely money hungry woman that realized she was about to lose her only chance of a meal ticket in life by being married to Greg. Honestly, his story made much more sense than hers, especially since it held no water in court. Greg just wanted it (meaning her) to go away basically. She has kept Greg Jr from Sr ever since and I'm sure pumped his head full of negative things about ole pappy. Just my two-cents on this subject. No one will dispute that celebs sometimes can manipulate courts, BUT celebs are easy targets. Either way, even if it WERE true, the kid apparently took a positive turn and I'm anxious to see what things are to come with his career. He looks just like Sr.
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I find it hard to believe his son faked having a gun put in his mouth - thats a little too extreme to be a plausible lie.

Seems like he has a large chip on his shoulder regarding his neighbours attitudes towards ethic minorities - is he that short of money that he can't move away from "one of the most racist little towns you could possibly be in" ?

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I find it hard to believe his son faked having a gun put in his mouth - thats a little too extreme to be a plausible lie.

Seems like he has a large chip on his shoulder regarding his neighbours attitudes towards ethic minorities - is he that short of money that he can't move away from "one of the most racist little towns you could possibly be in" ?

yeah, if the mom coerced him into that story you think eventually he would want to regain contact with his dad. sounds like he is fearful and wants nothing to do with greg sr.

doesnt sound like hes that short of money at all though. he went to college in the area, owns hunting property, and several businesses there. sounds like he likes it there and choses to stay. hes not the type of person to let racists run him off. "that which doesnt kill you will only make you stronger."
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I find it hard to believe his son faked having a gun put in his mouth - thats a little too extreme to be a plausible lie.
Obviously, the jury did find it hard to believe. I obviously wasn't at the trial, so I don't know why the son's testimony wasn't enough to convict Greg Sr. I do know that a 15 year old kid CAN be coerced into committing perjury by a custodial parent. My guess is that the jury questioned why this incident supposedly happened in 2001, yet at the time of the trial (2004) there was still no divorce. If it took 3 years to file for a divorce, then something smells fishy.
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You know the thing really really really pissing me off is the attitude of fans and media about superstars - a lot of professional athletes (hopefully not the majority) are pampered, arrogant, a**holes - and for some reason we have a problem separating their performance on the field from who they are and their personal lives - see Derrick "I have 8 kids by 7 different women" Thomas who had nothing set aside for his kids and ten closets full of designer clothing when he died.

We don't need to strain to portray these guys as great people just because they entertained us on the field ...I'm not perfect -nobody is, but you don't threaten your family with a freakin gun!!! and he has plead no contest to threatening his wife at the very least, so please spare me the racist - his son is lying-his wife just wants to get back at him-bulls**t - go grab a "GO OJ" sign and run along the freeway...
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If he did what the article says he did, then screw him. He is no man!

I don't however want to convict a man of something I don't know is true. Two sides of any story, I know it's easy to say the kid would'nt lie, but there are a whole lot of cases out there that shows children can be manipulated by either parent.

Because he held a gun to his wife's head does'nt mean that he did put a gun in the mouth of his son.
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