The Non Smack Version of Who Is the Best QB in the AFC-N

[Preacher]

Alright...

If this thread was last year... I would say Ben... Hands down
Right now... Carson.. but his lack of mobility scares me.

Future... I gotta say Ben. Be what it may, in this league, QB's need mobility, and teh ability to pass on the move. Ben has that. If he recovers to his pre-2006 form, hands down, it will be Ben.

[Stillers#1]

Carson

[BengalBrian]

I must admit I didn't even think Carson would get 5 votes here (4 really since I voted).. I can even accept some of you truly believe Ben is better. Without a doubt he can move better than Carson and shed tackles and escape sacks better. I have seen a lot mentioned so far to that effect. I guess we will all just have to see what the future brings before we all know the actual answer

[Dynasty]

I say Ben, and I base it a lot on this. There is a difference between being a great quarterback and being a great passer. Ben has been a greatl eader for the Steelers, and he is also an excellent passer (except most of this year). Carson, while having an excelent arm, has not shown that he can lead a team as well as Ben or McNair. I do like McNair, but he is on the downturn of his career, so that hurts his stock... He also bombed in the playoffs in a lot of ways.

[iloveben7]

Originally Posted by BengalBrian

I still think some of you mistake Ben winning the games he did for simply scoring more points than the defense allowed. And your defense has been a top 5 defense easy the past couple years. They are very consistent. This year was a telling year for Ben. He was asked for the first time in his short career to actually carry the team several times and make things happen. Carson has fallen short before but he is asked to do this constantly because our defense has major issues. Ben is a great game manager. But he is not a Pro Bowl caliber quarterback. Carson is. He's proven. Ben was only able to manage for a couple years, but then self destructed last year when he was needed to step it up. Was it the injury? We may never know. I personally just don't think he is near what Carson is. Carson is constantly watching leads he put up dwindle with poor defensive play or pulling out of a deficit for the same reason.

Yeah we all know that Ben didn't have the greastest year last year, but it was only his third year as a starter and I don't think Carson Palmer even started until after his third year. Also Ben is a fighter-he won't go down without playing his best. He also has the attitude of a winner and he doesn't put down his players and also takes the blame when the Steelers lose, even though it wasn't all his fault-we lose as a team.

[iloveben7]

I's have to disagree about Palmer losing games because of his defense. If he was a good QB, he should be able to bring his team out of those bad situations.

[BengalBrian]

Originally Posted by iloveben7

Yeah we all know that Ben didn't have the greastest year last year, but it was only his third year as a starter and I don't think Carson Palmer even started until after his third year. Also Ben is a fighter-he won't go down without playing his best. He also has the attitude of a winner and he doesn't put down his players and also takes the blame when the Steelers lose, even though it wasn't all his fault-we lose as a team.

Carson sat on the bench his entire rookie season and took over in his 2nd year actually. You dont play in this league as a starter if you dont give it your best.. I am sure they both are giving it their best, and Carson has no issues with taking blame when deserved and doesnt put down his teammates either.. :shrug:

Originally Posted by iloveben7

I's have to disagree about Palmer losing games because of his defense. If he was a good QB, he should be able to bring his team out of those bad situations.

He constantly does.. Hell.. Sometimes he gets us a large lead only to have the defense blow it (Chargers game).. We only lost 2 games this season by more than one score.. Carson is the reason we were in almost every game. Defense blew the Bucs game, the Falcons game, the first Ravens game, the Chargers game, and special teams blew the Steelers game and Broncos game (both games where Carson put us in position to win) A quarterback can only do so much. Its funny how some of you will defend our defense to bash Carson. Lets be serious here.. This is the Bengals defense we are talking about. Still my team.. Hello?

[CantStop85]

Over the last 2 years, Carson has outperformed Ben in virtually every category but Super Bowl victories, but being as the Super Bowl is a team accomplishment and we are discussing individuals, my vote goes to Carson.

[Preacher]

As of right now... I still gotta say McNair. I would trust him to get me to the SB before either of the other two.

But like I said before. When this is all over, the Ben/Carson rivarly will be legendary in football... let alone in the AFC North. We will be telling our grandkids about it.

[Mosca]

Originally Posted by BengalBrian

We only lost 2 games this season by more than one score..

Most games in the NFL are decided by less than one score.

I don't think it means anything vis this discussion, I just thought you might find it interesting. I got the stat from a recent TMQ column discussing parity.

And something else; with football being almost the consummate team game among modern sports, the question becomes murkier. Give Palmer Hines Ward and two nobodies, and give Roethlisberger the Bengals guys; now who is best? If one guy plays behind a line that is a sieve, does that mean he isn't as good when all his throws are rushed?

You can't put them in an arena and let them fight it out like you could tennis players, or golfers. Really, who could say which is actually better? Let's be glad we aren't discussing Akili Smith and Kyle Orton!


Tom