The Non Smack Version of Who Is the Best QB in the AFC-N

[CantStop85]

Originally Posted by tony hipchest

bunglefans think akili smith is better because he was drafted higher and had more college recognition despite k. ortons win/loss record as a rookie.

Duh.

[lamberts-lost-tooth]

Originally Posted by tony hipchest

yeah me too. im sure charlie batch woulda filled in nicely as an injured carson sat on the bench.

how's carson done in his most recent games against the colts and broncos when he faced the most pressure in his career to make the playoffs?

*choke, choke*

loss-loss

I think you are touching on something that alot of people are missing or are passing as mere smack...Carson has NOT proven that he can handle the pressure....at all...not once ...in a game that mattered.
He most certainly choked in his one and only playoff game..He choked numerous times at the end of this season and HAS to take a good portion of the responsiblity for the implosion against the Steelers.
If the WR's on the Bengals are as Elite as we are being told by their own fans...then who was responsible for the interceptions in clutch games?
Peyton gets a bad rap for not being a clutch performer..but has done more in the big games then Carson...who seems to be given a pass for his teams failure.
Its like I said in another thread...Carsons saving grace has been the attention that was placed on the team "thugs"...and taken off of him!!

[BengalBrian]

Originally Posted by lamberts-lost-tooth

I think you are touching on something that alot of people are missing or are passing as mere smack...Carson has NOT proven that he can handle the pressure....at all...not once ...in a game that mattered.
He most certainly choked in his one and only playoff game..He choked numerous times at the end of this season and HAS to take a good portion of the responsiblity for the implosion against the Steelers.
If the WR's on the Bengals are as Elite as we are being told by their own fans...then who was responsible for the interceptions in clutch games?
Peyton gets a bad rap for not being a clutch performer..but has done more in the big games then Carson...who seems to be given a pass for his teams failure.
Its like I said in another thread...Carsons saving grace has been the attention that was placed on the team "thugs"...and taken off of him!!

Carson choked in the playoff game? Ok then.. Past point proven

[lamberts-lost-tooth]

Originally Posted by BengalBrian

Carson choked in the playoff game? Ok then.. Past point proven

sorry...mistype...I typed faster than I was thinking..he had a built-in excuse for the TEAM choking!!!....He was wheeled off BEFORE he got the chance....and you seemed to not want to talk about the other points?...very telling.

...Carson has NOT proven that he can handle the pressure....at all...not once ...in a game that mattered.

[BengalBrian]

Carson has proven he can handle the pressure.. More than once.. Pay attention or dont make silly false statements... He handled the pressure against the Steelers in our first meeting... What was it? 2 touchdowns thrown by him in like 40 seconds..

[lamberts-lost-tooth]

Originally Posted by BengalBrian

Carson has proven he can handle the pressure.. More than once.. Pay attention or dont make silly false statements... He handled the pressure against the Steelers in our first meeting... What was it? 2 touchdowns thrown by him in like 40 seconds..

Pay attention and dont make personal comments..."Games that mattered"....try not to be so thin skinned..and actually answer the point that was made

[tony hipchest]

carson handles week 3 pressure like no other...

but when the season is on the line he folds. the most wins he has ever had in a season is 11. thats not great by any means. qb's who can handle pressure (like manning, ben, and brady) routinely put up 11 wins.

[lamberts-lost-tooth]

Originally Posted by tony hipchest

carson handles week 3 pressure like no other... :rolleyes:

but when the season is on the line he folds. the most wins he has ever had in a season is 11. thats not great by any means. qb's who can handle pressure (like manning, ben, and brady) routinely put up 11 wins.

exactly...

[X-Terminator]

For those Bengal fans who say Carson can handle the pressure of big games...let's point to the final game of last season as proof that he can't. With a playoff berth on the line, he could not and did not get the job done, on his home turf no less, and had it not been for Willie Parker's fumble at the goal line as he was going in for a TD, there wouldn't have even been a chance for him to try and pull out a miracle. Until Carson wins an important game, he's going to be mentioned in the same breath as Peyton Manning prior to this season. Good-to-great QBs who folded like a tent when it was all on the line.

[Preacher]

Originally Posted by BengalBrian

Carson has proven he can handle the pressure.. More than once.. Pay attention or dont make silly false statements... He handled the pressure against the Steelers in our first meeting... What was it? 2 touchdowns thrown by him in like 40 seconds..

Fact is, there is a big difference between a week three game, and a game at the end of the year to make the playoffs. And the way the chips fell, the Bengals would have made the playoffs if they beat the Steelers.

There is pressure EVERY GAME too win. There is added presuure the last few games. Carson has not yet proven he can play in that situation.

Ben on the otherhand, has. He played okay for a rookie the first year in the playoffs, played EXCELLENT the second year in the playoffs... and in the 4 pressure games needed before the playoffs. Carson has not yet done that. Now, that is not to say he can't, or won't. Like Ben Carson is only a few years in this league. Like Ben, Carson still has to mature. Ben has to mature this year in his reads and decision making. Carson has to mature in his ability to deal with outside pressure (last games of the season... etc) and ability to escape the pocket.

I think both can AND WILL mature through those issues. that is why I keep saying that this will turn into one of the best QB rivalries in the game. Even better then Bradshaw/Staubach.