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Old 02-12-2007, 12:23 AM   #31
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Old 02-12-2007, 12:51 PM   #32
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Default Re: Rush Limbaughs latest NFL "analysis"

since i started this thread and since i came across the quote, its only fair to post it, so nothings taken out of context or being paraphrased. thanks to peter king (whos football takes i feel are much more legitimate):

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...1/jones/4.html



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7. I think for any of you -- us -- feeling the least bit of pity for Rush Limbaugh after his silly remarks about black quarterbacks and the media, we can all now rest easy. The guy's a race-aholic. He injects race where it has no business being injected. The latest, you've probably heard, but here it is, from Limbaugh's radio show last Monday:

"And before we go to the break here, folks, I've got to get something off my chest. You know, the game was the game. And the game was what it was. But I - I can't handle any more press criticism of Rex Grossman. They're writing his name W-R-E-C-K-S. They're just ... worst quarterback ever to play in the Super Bowl. And it's been like this since the Green Bay game -- actually since the Arizona game, a little crescendo of it in the Green Bay game, the last game of the season for the Bears. And it's just unrelenting! It's just -- they're focusing on this guy like they don't focus on anybody!

"And I tell you, I know what it is. The media, the sports media, has got social concerns that they are first and foremost interested in, and they're dumping on this guy -- Rex Grossman -- for one reason, folks, and that's because he is a white quarterback.''


Rush, we're dumping on him because, in a five-point game in the fourth quarter, with the Bears in possession of the ball and still with a very good chance to win, he threw two ridiculous passes in the biggest game of his life. Two interceptions. Buried his own team. Had it been McNabb or Brees or Leftwich or Kitna or Daisuke Matsuzaka, we'd have buried them too.
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Old 02-12-2007, 03:40 PM   #33
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Michael Wilbon sums up my feelings regarding the star of the EIB Network:

Michael Wilbon: Limbaugh is the worst kind of race-bating bigot: one who's smart enough to be very dangerous. His hatred for people different than him is such a sad, sad thing to see and have to put up with.

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Old 02-12-2007, 05:27 PM   #34
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LOL. Auto censors can be funny things.

It isn't ad, add, nor tion. let's try dic and see what happens.
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No it must be the word addiction that does it.
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Nope. I don't know then. Maybe the mods have an eye out for you. lol
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Michael Wilbon sums up my feelings regarding the star of the EIB Network:

Michael Wilbon: Limbaugh is the worst kind of race-bating bigot: one who's smart enough to be very dangerous. His hatred for people different than him is such a sad, sad thing to see and have to put up with.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...020801510.html

Let me say this about Rush Limbaugh. I have listened to him on and off for a number of years. Sometimes I agree, sometimes I think he is way off base.

However, one thing I have absolutely learned about Rush, he is NOT a race bigot. Those who call him that either
1. Use the phrase because they dislike his politics or
2. Haven't spent the time listening to him, and are being intellectually dishonest with his assessments.

For those of you who don't know, Rush's closest friend and workmate.. the infamous "Mr. Snerdley," is gasp... a black man. One of Rush's hero's is a famous economist who is... gasp... black. One of Rush's favorite fill-ins for his show is... gasp... black. So much for being a race bigot. What Rush does do, is point out areas of racism, reverse racism, etc. in the media on his show. Many times he uses satire with great humor and results. Many times, he allows the message to get lost in the method. For that, he is wrong.

And for those of you who are about to jump to the whole "Donovan Mcnabb is black" issue. Check yourselves please. Be honest with what Rush said. He could care less about Donovan Mcnabb, black or white. His issue was the soft racism of the philly press, making McNabb out to be something that he may not be, JUST BECAUSE OF HIS RACE. And before anyone jumps on that, May I point you to the number of articles posted on this forum concerning the reason we now have a black coach. To say that the press doesn't involve race in thier assessment is ludicrous. Just look at the SB.

Taking all of that as background to the comment he made the other day, I want to hear RUSH'S comments. Not what someone else says he said. Furthermore, understanding that Rush uses MUCH satire, etc. I want to hear his tone and delivery. Because that is what I expect ANY THINKING PERSON to do. I would tend to bet that once again, whatever he was trying to say got lost in the method.

And that is wrong.

If anyone has spent the time listening to Rush, assessing what he says, and comes out with the opinion that his is racially insensitive...etc. Good. Thank you for taking the time.

My problem with a number of posts on this thread is that they SEEM (my assumption...) to be knee-jerk reactions. Just like those who are saying Tomlin was hired as our coach because he is black.

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I do not even know if this thread could go to the Blast Furnace, but since we are now commenting on the attitudes of the posters rather than Rush's comments I will respond here.

Preacher - I respect your posts on football but when it comes to our views on Rush Limbaugh you and I are 180 degrees apart.

So, to use one example, playing the theme from the Jeffersons while doing a riff on welfare is just good clean fun that has nothing to do with stereotyping individuals on the basis of race? The fact that "some of his best friends are black" does not change Rush's MO for his broadcast.

Rush plays to a white male audience (good for him - he is an entertainer, not a political philosopher) and IMHO panders to that audience quite a bit (once again - go for it; he is ratings driven in a ratings driven business).

You may have a different opinion, which I will respect, but spare me the condescension about me being intellectually dishonest. As for viewing Rush through the prism of our political beliefs, I would submit for your consideration that Rush's apologists might excuse a lot of his less defensible actions because he roots, roots, roots for the GOP home team (except of course when he tells us after the GOP's rout last November that he is relieved he no longer has to defend the excesses of the Republican Congress.)

I think Rush is, to use Peter King's term on MMQB this morning, a "race-o-holic." You certainly can disagree with that conclusion without attacking the character or intellectual rigor of those who do not share your views.

I write this as someone who voted for Reagan twice and the incumbent in 2000.

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Preacher - I respect your posts on football but when it comes to our views on Rush Limbaugh you and I are 180 degrees apart.
Not a problem... and thanks for the respect on football!!

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to use one example, playing the theme from the Jeffersons while doing a riff on welfare is just good clean fun that has nothing to do with stereotyping individuals on the basis of race? The fact that "some of his best friends are black" does not change Rush's MO for his broadcast.
My point on who his friends and workmates are go to the point that a raging racist (which people would try to paint Rush as) would NEVER be caught dead with friends and workmates who are black. That was my point. Rush's "enemies" are not blacks, but liberals and PC police. Like I said, Many times, the message gets lost in the method. He is guilty of that, and is foolish for not checking himself.

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Rush plays to a white male audience (good for him - he is an entertainer, not a political philosopher) and IMHO panders to that audience quite a bit (once again - go for it; he is ratings driven in a ratings driven business).
I have to disagree with you. He doesn't play to a white male audience. He plays to a conservative audience, regardless of race and sex. But yes, he is an entertainer. Absolutely.

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You may have a different opinion, which I will respect, but spare me the condescension about me being intellectually dishonest.
What I actually said was, " 2. Haven't spent the time listening to him, and are being intellectually dishonest with his assessments." My point was that I know of many people who takes a second or third hand account of what he says, and then plugs in thier ideas of what he really meant (kinda like the right does with Kerry's and Gore's statements). However, the bigger push about being honest was directed to those who would rather paint with a big brush then look at the specifics of a comment or picture. I have no patience for that... on the left OR the right... (except in discussion of the Bengals... Both the left and right have discovered... The Bengals suck!... wait... wrong thread!)

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I would submit for your consideration that Rush's apologists might excuse a lot of his less defensible actions because he roots, roots, roots for the GOP home team (except of course when he tells us after the GOP's rout last November that he is relieved he no longer has to defend the excesses of the Republican Congress.)
No consideration required. that is ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. I would that both his supporters AND detractors have just as big of blinders. I don't think racism is one of them. You wanna talk about bad actions and arguments... Rush is a HORRIBLE person in actual logical/honest argumentation. He is almost as bad as Sean Hannity. BOth of them create Straw-man arguments and attack them.
Actually, were Rush really makes his mistake... and gets into trouble, is when he "Uses the absurd to illustrate the point," but we can discuss those in a different thread.

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You certainly can disagree with that conclusion without attacking the character or intellectual rigor of those who do not share your views.
In general, there are those for whom my previous post absolutely applies. When I read those who use some of the same phrases, I assumed it to be the same mentality. My frustration comes from a personal place. I am tired of the fact that I have seen many people throw thier life away because it was simply expected of them to do so based on thier race. WHen I hear someone who in my opinion is trying to puncture that mentality, I tend to agree.

Obviously, I also assumed a great deal. I should know better then to do that... I was wrong and apologize. I didn't mean to insult you if I did. I re-read my post... And realized that I made a lot of absolute statements... Which don't belong in this type of discussion. Thanks for tempering your response... I appreciate it.
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