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Old 02-12-2007, 07:04 PM   #1
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Default steelers playbook vs. O-coords vs. personnel

so we hear bruce arians has streamlined an offensive playbook that has been a hogdgpoge of plays assembled over the past 15+ years and 7 or so coordinators.

today i hear that mike mularkey will be taking a demotion in miami from o-coord to TE coach (once again). look at erhardt, gailey, gilbride, sherman, mularkey, etc. they all have been quickly demoted after leaving the steelers, for higher or latteral positions.

we never had top notch offensive players but we always had a top offensive philosophy. was cowher the glue that held the offense together? it sure doesnt seem to be the coordinators, and plenty of players who left suggest it wasnt them.

i think keeping the playbook and someone familiar with the philosophy will be integral to future success.
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Default Re: steelers playbook vs. O-coords vs. personnel

I think we should keep some parts of the playbook. Some parts as brought us success in the past. But I also think that we should think of new ways to improve that. This will make our offensive play much better.

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Old 02-12-2007, 07:26 PM   #3
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I think we should keep some parts of the playbook. Some parts as brought us success in the past. But I also think that we should think of new ways to improve that. This will make our offensive play much better.

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thats what i think arians is doing, and with the mix of 15 years of plays to pick and chose from, our personnel, a strong defense, and a new head coach that has already given him the freedom to streamline, i think he could find good success.

the point is, regardless of the multitude of offensive changes, and cowher being primarily a defensive minded coach, him and that big old thick playbook seem to have been the glue that partially kept us with the best winning percentage during his tenure.

i can see where the offense got a bit obtuse and at times there was probably "paralysis by over analysis".
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Default Re: steelers playbook vs. O-coords vs. personnel

I think we need to change it to fit the players we have, such as Willie for example. A lot of the running plays were geared more to a Bettis type running game. And mix things up more so were not so predictable.
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I think we need to change it to fit the players we have, such as Willie for example. A lot of the running plays were geared more to a Bettis type running game. And mix things up more so were not so predictable.
That's other point. Bettis was more of a back that plowed through people and all that was left of them were cleets and blood. Willie is more of a back that he his behind you one second, and the next he's in the endzone. I'm not a playbook expert, so I don't really know how to change that except to have the O-line open up more holes and get larger lanes to run.

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Default Re: steelers playbook vs. O-coords vs. personnel

Now that you look back, it makes us look pretty stupid.
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That's other point. Bettis was more of a back that plowed through people and all that was left of them were cleets and blood. Willie is more of a back that he his behind you one second, and the next he's in the endzone. I'm not a playbook expert, so I don't really know how to change that except to have the O-line open up more holes and get larger lanes to run.

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Not sure thats why I'm not the coach. But try to create more cut backs, get a better o-line(they didnt exactly over achieve this year). Block somebody and protect the qb, for starters.
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Now that you look back, it makes us look pretty stupid.
lol. makes you wonder huh? is it just a coincidence our o-line stinks when we put in a zeoroue or parker as the primary back? after all the philosophy and playbood was designed and built upon for a morris, foster, jerome, duce type of back. thats the scheme that is taught and thats what they mainly practice for 15 years.

blocking for maddox is way different than blocking for stewart (who could take it to the house on any given DESIGNED run).

so does our o-line personnel suddenly suck or do they just need the playbook to be stramlined and to be taught the adjusted techniques?

keep in mind players like ross, vincent, foster, thigpen, bruener, o'donnell, etc. who were supposed to leave for greener pastures and be better off for it.

also keep in mind we have always had a decent offense but not necessarily top players at many positions.
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Default Re: steelers playbook vs. O-coords vs. personnel

I like the idea of toning-down the playbook.

A huge,super-thick playbook can be more of a problem than a helping hand.There are so many plays to memorize,one can easily get confused and think a reciever is supposed to run such-and-such a route when it's a different play he runs that route.So you throw the ball to where you think a reciever is gonna be,and he's over somewhere else.Does this sound like O'Donnel in SB XXX?

If it's simplified,it will make it easier on the players.Yes,we will call some runs between the tackles...but I think BA is gonna thin out the power runs in the playbook and add or keep the runs that will use Parker's speed.

We will see a new offense in Pittsburgh this year.I think it will be more balanced than in year's past where we were either run-heavy or pass-heavy.
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Default Re: steelers playbook vs. O-coords vs. personnel

Whatever plays they make will work out. we have great talented players that can do any type of plays the coaches throw out to them
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