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Old 02-15-2007, 12:42 PM   #21
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I don't think Tim Hardaway should of apologized for his comments. He is entitled to his own opinion. Personally I get aggravated when people call others homophobic simply because they are against the gay lifestyle. I do not have a phobia about gays. I do not fear gays. I just think that the gay lifestyle is completely unnatural and disgusting. It goes against God and nature. Since it is legal, what a gay person does in their own home is their business....BUT once they go out on parade with a lesbian dressed as a lumberjack with a strap on toy sticking out from her and a guy wearing a pink tutu dances in the street it becomes my business too. When they put books like Robert Has Two Daddies and Heather Has Two Mommies in elementary schools it becomes my business and every other parents business. When people try to tell my children that "it's ok to be gay" and that it is completely natural, that there isn't anything wrong with it ...it becomes my business. My morals, values, and Bible says its wrong. Why is a religious person told they are intolerant and need to change or be silent when they try to talk about their beliefs in God, family values and morals but an athiest is applauded and handed a microphone to say Don't believe?Why is a group of children told they are not allowed to pray quietly together on their own in a school because is may offend others who have a different belief but the school allows a group of gay and lesbian kids hold group meetings? If the ACLU is going to tell me to shut up if I say gay lifestlyes are offensive then they need to tell the athiest to shut up when he says my Nativity scene at Christmas (Christmas is a celebration of Christ's birthday, not shiny lights).
Athletes shower and change in the same room together. Would you want a gay guy looking at you while you were getting dressed? Would it make you uncomfortable knowing he may be looking at you in way he shouldn't? Having sexual thoughts about you? Aids is a real threat in the homosexual community. Players get cuts and various wounds while playing all the time. The chances that a gay guy has aids and also happens to bleed or sweat on a cut of your own is extremely, extremely, extremely remote but not impossible.
Everyone needs to remember TOLERANCE GOES BOTH WAYS!
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Old 02-15-2007, 12:43 PM   #22
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Yeah I don't think I'd be bending over to pick the bar of soap if I knew there was a gay guy on my team. In a locker room, shower I'd feel a bit uncomfortable with it.
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Old 02-15-2007, 12:44 PM   #23
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Let me ask you this, though -- assuming your teammate is a skilled and talented athlete who is more than capable of helping your team win (as could certainly be said about Mr. Amaechi), would you accept him as a team member without reservation, simply in terms of his professional abilities, if you knew he was gay? That's the bigger issue for me -- that even if someone's lifestyle causes some personal discomfort, it can be put aside in a professional capacity. After all, whether you're a professional athlete or an accountant or a brain surgeon or a minister or a secretary or whatever, it's highly probable that there are gay people somewhere in your workplace every day. Aside from Mr. Hardaway saying that he hates gay people, to me the second most inflammatory remark he made is that "I wouldn't want him on my team."
If my teammate who happens to be gay was the next Wayne Gretzky or Mario Lemieux I would still feel uncomfortable being in the same shower with him.
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Old 02-15-2007, 12:51 PM   #24
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LMAO!!!

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If my teammate who happens to be gay was the next Wayne Gretzky or Mario Lemieux I would still feel uncomfortable being in the same shower with him.
maybe they should start putting baths in the locker room?
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c'mon, a little sushi never hurt anyone. you know, some red snapper, fur bearing trout, or a bearded clam.

but since were on the topic, i'd like to announce to steelersfever (and the rest of the world) that i am straight. whew, glad i got that off my chest. no sausage parties for me.
so..that snicker moment we shared.....it didnt mean anything to you!!!!???
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Good point, 83, and I get where you're coming from. In all honesty, I'm not sure how to address that issue, except to say that there are indeed gay people in professional sports, so the whole shower/locker room issue definitely does occur, whether others know it at the time or not. I do understand your level of discomfort, even though I myself would not feel that way if I were in a shower or locker room with a gay female.

Let me ask you this, though -- assuming your teammate is a skilled and talented athlete who is more than capable of helping your team win (as could certainly be said about Mr. Amaechi), would you accept him as a team member without reservation, simply in terms of his professional abilities, if you knew he was gay? That's the bigger issue for me -- that even if someone's lifestyle causes some personal discomfort, it can be put aside in a professional capacity. After all, whether you're a professional athlete or an accountant or a brain surgeon or a minister or a secretary or whatever, it's highly probable that there are gay people somewhere in your workplace every day. Aside from Mr. Hardaway saying that he hates gay people, to me the second most inflammatory remark he made is that "I wouldn't want him on my team."

Not unlike the way most of us feel about Coach Tomlin (i.e., no one cares if he's purple as long as he's a good coach, the players like and respect him, and the Steelers WIN), I think all of our professional lives could be vastly improved if we could put aside our personal prejudices and judge our co-workers solely on the basis of what they bring professionally to the team.
I personally would be happy to have a gay teammate who was skilled and talented.....(on the field)....In fact I have no problem with inviting them home for dinner and going out with them on the town....but I dont apologize for not wanting to be forced into a situation in wich I am nude with them...again..seems like common sense to me.

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As a conservative evangelical pastor in a southern baptist church just outside San Francisco CA, I may have a unique perspective on this discussion.

First, in the general arena of life, I could care less who does what with whom, as long as it doesn't affect the job. Therefore, if my tax accountant, banker, roofer, etc. is gay, who cares. As long as he or she does a great job. I have worked with and for many gay people in the outside world. Some I have thoroughly enjoyed working with/for, others, well, I was SO happy to no longer work for them. Guess what.. I had the same experiences with straight bosses.

As far as the church goes, it is a COMPLETELY different story. We are responsible to live by and express the message of Jesus Christ, which includes what is and is not sin. When I discuss this part of my faith, I normally do it in this way, "All sexuality outside of marriage between a man and a woman is sin, does that include homosexuality? Yes. That also includes heterosexuality. It is not about the fact that someone engages in homosexuality, it is about the fact that ANY sexuality outside of the marriage covenant is engaged in."

Here is what I am REALLY afraid of though. Freedom of speach is quickly becoming freedom of politically correct speach. Incorrect speach is starting to be legislated and THAT scare me.

Furthermore, what those who do live in the gay lifestyle MUST recognize on the political front is, historically, where Christianity goes in a society, homosexuality quickly follows. Russia, China, Nazi Germany, etc.

In this instance, politics makes REAL STRANGE bed-fellows.
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I don't think Tim Hardaway should of apologized for his comments. He is entitled to his own opinion.
Couldn't agree more - I'm sick of the rampant political correctness in society today. Not everybody is going to like or get along with everyone else, so deal with it.
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Old 02-15-2007, 02:45 PM   #29
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I don't think Tim Hardaway should of apologized for his comments. He is entitled to his own opinion. Personally I get aggravated when people call others homophobic simply because they are against the gay lifestyle. I do not have a phobia about gays. I do not fear gays. I just think that the gay lifestyle is completely unnatural and disgusting. It goes against God and nature. Since it is legal, what a gay person does in their own home is their business....BUT once they go out on parade with a lesbian dressed as a lumberjack with a strap on toy sticking out from her and a guy wearing a pink tutu dances in the street it becomes my business too. When they put books like Robert Has Two Daddies and Heather Has Two Mommies in elementary schools it becomes my business and every other parents business. When people try to tell my children that "it's ok to be gay" and that it is completely natural, that there isn't anything wrong with it ...it becomes my business. Why is a group of children told they are not allowed to pray quietly together on their own in a school because is may offend others who have a different belief but the school allows a group of gay and lesbian kids hold group meetings?
Athletes shower and change in the same room together. Would you want a gay guy looking at you while you were getting dressed? Would it make you uncomfortable knowing he may be looking at you in way he shouldn't? .



Very well said Pitt,.....the best post of this thread. Everyone has the right to their own beliefs, opinions and or moral values. But none should be 'forced' upon others simply for the sake of the social 'comfort' of those whom peronally choose to live a particular lifestyle.
As ive said before homosexuality is nothing like ethnicity, gender or being born into a certain economic 'caste'. So though homosexuals shouldn't neccessarily be persecuted. I don't believe that our society should make any concessions for them either.
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Tim Hardaway can say whatever he wants, but he has no right to immunity from the repercussions of what he says. Those who agree with him are free to support him, and those who disagree are also free to slag on him. And companies looking for spokespeople are free to fire him or pass him by. Or hire him.

I don't see anything politically incorrect about that, does anyone else?

And, straight people DO constantly flaunt their sexuality, it just doesn't hit our radar the same way. But to give two examples from basketball: Wilt Chamberlain. Dennis Rodman.

pitt, Hardaway called himself homophobic. I know what you meant, I only want to point out that in this instance the label was self-appointed. And I think there is a difference between being "against a gay lifestyle" and saying that you hate gays. People who are against a gay lifestyle might preach against it; people who hate homosexuals beat, mutilate, torture, and kill them.

I think it's ok for you to not be in favor of a gay lifestyle, but I don't think it's ok to foment hatred of gay people (and I don't think you do, either). Too often, hatred leads to action on that hatred, whether it is gays, blacks, Jews, Muslims, or yes, as Preacher noted, Christians. It is wrong to legislate hate speech... but it is also wrong for us as individuals to accept it. Standing up and speaking against it is what those of us who feel that way should do.


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