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Old 04-04-2007, 09:12 PM   #1
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Default Perception of Steeler players.

I've noticed that some players seem to have a reputation with the fans that seems at odds with what they have actually achieved in the NFL.

I'll throw out a list of players that seem to be both over and under-rated by the Fever faithful.

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Willie Parker - I was as sceptical as the next man when Willie ran all over poor opposition but got stopped in his tracks by halfway decent teams in his first year. His 2nd year has been a revelation, though - especially considering the Steeler O-line got bullied at times last year.

I always considerd Willie to have tremendous upside due his UDFA status and he has come on leaps and bounds ever since.

Yet still, it seems that many think the Steelers still require a Bettis type high round draft pick to complement him.

Im all for a complemntary JAG, but to spend a high draft pick (anything higher than a 4th) on a RB this year seems like a waste.

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John Kuhn - Despite this being a long running joke, I still get the feeling that quite of a few Fever faithful are waiting for Kuhn to explode onto the scene - mainly because he is a 'big-back' - see Willie Parker.

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Max Starks - The whole O-line was poor for long periods last year, but it seems that the less established Starks is the one catching most of the heat for it. Seems that he is the whipping boy for the non-performance of a whole unit.

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Anthony Smith - This guys rep seems to have been mainly built on one big hit on a Bengal (on the field not in a casino) - he was an integral part of a DB corps that picked on last year. He's a talented guy no doubt, but he has a way to go before he can match the organisational influence the departed Hope had on the secondary.

Ok that should get the ball rolling.

Feel free to agree, disagree or add your own over/under-rated Steelers players - its purely an opinion thing so have some fun with it.
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Old 04-04-2007, 09:31 PM   #2
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Default Re: Perception of Steeler players.

Anthony smith is not overrated to me at all. He had many outstanding hits and has showed that he is extremely physical. Adding a few interceptions, i say this guy is the next best thing to pittsburgh....but thats just me
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Old 04-04-2007, 09:32 PM   #3
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Default Re: Perception of Steeler players.

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I've noticed that some players seem to have a reputation with the fans that seems at odds with what they have actually achieved in the NFL.

I'll throw out a list of players that seem to be both over and under-rated by the Fever faithful.

Under

Willie Parker - I was as sceptical as the next man when Willie ran all over poor opposition but got stopped in his tracks by halfway decent teams in his first year. His 2nd year has been a revelation, though - especially considering the Steeler O-line got bullied at times last year.

I always considerd Willie to have tremendous upside due his UDFA status and he has come on leaps and bounds ever since.

Yet still, it seems that many think the Steelers still require a Bettis type high round draft pick to complement him.

Im all for a complemntary JAG, but to spend a high draft pick (anything higher than a 4th) on a RB this year seems like a waste.

Over

John Kuhn - Despite this being a long running joke, I still get the feeling that quite of a few Fever faithful are waiting for Kuhn to explode onto the scene - mainly because he is a 'big-back' - see Willie Parker.

Under

Max Starks - The whole O-line was poor for long periods last year, but it seems that the less established Starks is the one catching most of the heat for it. Seems that he is the whipping boy for the non-performance of a whole unit.

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Anthony Smith - This guys rep seems to have been mainly built on one big hit on a Bengal (on the field not in a casino) - he was an integral part of a DB corps that picked on last year. He's a talented guy no doubt, but he has a way to go before he can match the organisational influence the departed Hope had on the secondary.

Ok that should get the ball rolling.

Feel free to agree, disagree or add your own over/under-rated Steelers players - its purely an opinion thing so have some fun with it.
Agree on FWP. Kuhn, no big deal. Starks, is he decent? Have read too much saying he is an oversized incompetent. Smith, have heard only great things about upside potential. I have never learned as much as I have learned in last month as SF member. You may be right on all calls. I just pray Steelers (Tomlin) make best decisions. I have concerns, especially on O-line, but have faith in draft, and this next year!
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Old 04-04-2007, 09:37 PM   #4
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The reason I would blame Starks most for OL problems is the frequency the opponents come around the right side to make a play. Every now and then they get by someone else, but the right side - especially the far right side - is where they come from most often. Defense also seems to come around the right side if Ben doesn't get rid of the ball in enough time.
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Old 04-04-2007, 09:39 PM   #5
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Anthony smith is not overrated to me at all. He had many outstanding hits and has showed that he is extremely physical. Adding a few interceptions, i say this guy is the next best thing to pittsburgh....but thats just me
I gotta agree,he played very will when he got onto the field.The hit on TJ is just fun to watch because we all hate his guts.

He's gonna hit everyone hard,and he can come up with a few picks a year.

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Brett Keisel- A lot of fans thought he was gonna be the next dominant DE of the Steelers,but I saw him get pushed around a lot,which negated his speed.He doesn't have any moves to get around the bigger o-lineman,he just tries to run past them and gets knocked on his ass.If he could develop something like Freeney's spin move,he could be vety dominant.

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Charlie Batch- For all he has done for the team (undefeated as a starter for the Steelers),he still seems to get hated on a lot.I think he's the best backup in the league.When Ben went down in the Atlanta game,Batch came in and the offense didn't miss a step,and that's what you look for in a backup QB...someone that can come in and keep the offense moving.
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I gotta agree,he played very will when he got onto the field.The hit on TJ is just fun to watch because we all hate his guts.

He's gonna hit everyone hard,and he can come up with a few picks a year.

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Brett Keisel- A lot of fans thought he was gonna be the next dominant DE of the Steelers,but I saw him get pushed around a lot,which negated his speed.He doesn't have any moves to get around the bigger o-lineman,he just tries to run past them and gets knocked on his ass.If he could develop something like Freeney's spin move,he could be vety dominant.

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Charlie Batch- For all he has done for the team (undefeated as a starter for the Steelers),he still seems to get hated on a lot.I think he's the best backup in the league.When Ben went down in the Atlanta game,Batch came in and the offense didn't miss a step,and that's what you look for in a backup QB...someone that can come in and keep the offense moving.
Keisel, can't say. Couldn't we have had a better pass rush last year, OL's in 3-4? probably. Didn't Brett do well against the run! I am new, you tell me. But I completely agree on Batch. He has played well as a backup. His heart is in Pgh, And I think he is in great shape for his age...maybe better than most QB's (ever seen Ben, Peyton with their shirts off?) Muscles ain't a QB's thing, but I think Charlie gives 100%.
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Old 04-04-2007, 09:50 PM   #7
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Anthony Smith - This guys rep seems to have been mainly built on one big hit on a Bengal (on the field not in a casino) - he was an integral part of a DB corps that picked on last year. He's a talented guy no doubt, but he has a way to go before he can match the organisational influence the departed Hope had on the secondary.
Ryan Clark was the starter at FS and Smith still put up better numbers (2 INT, 6 passes defensed to 1 INT, 2 passes defensed for Clark). Smith made things happen for the limited amount of playing time he saw and the only reason he didn't see more time was primarily due to Cowher's pigheaded insistence in starting vets over rookies, even if the rookie is the better player. Smith is going to be a difference maker.
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Ryan Clark was the starter at FS and Smith still put up better numbers (2 INT, 6 passes defensed to 1 INT, 2 passes defensed for Clark). Smith made things happen for the limited amount of playing time he saw and the only reason he didn't see more time was primarily due to Cowher's pigheaded insistence in starting vets over rookies, even if the rookie is the better player. Smith is going to be a difference maker.

Thanks for the stats 76. I thought Smith had a good rep. His stats sound like they support that. I personally think he can start next year and be solid. It is refreshing to know there are a few strong young guys making a play for it. Still concerned about O-line and possibly losing AF. Sorry to change subject.
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Smith will get the starting job his year and prove he isn't overated.
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Old 04-04-2007, 10:40 PM   #10
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Default Re: Perception of Steeler players.

I'm not sure Smith is overrated. I do think some fans become so enamored with big hits they forget the rest. That said, Smith seems to have picked up the D scheme pretty well for a rookie, and regardless of whether he starts the season, I think he is the future.

I happen to believe Max Starks is overrated. Yes, the entire O'line struggled last season. However, most of the other starters have established that they can play at a high level in the NFL. I'm not convinced Max is in that category. Hopefully, he will prove me wrong.

The reaction to Brent Keisel confuses me. I thought he had a good season. All the feedback from the Steelers leads me to believe they thought he had a good season. I don't know how he could have been pushed around and the Steelers still be among the best in the league against the run.

Khun can never be overrated. I heard the Steelers might loan him to the Pens for the playoffs.
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