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Old 05-17-2007, 02:20 PM   #21
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Thomas Jefferson was a hemp farmer, among other things. If it has little medicinal value I don't understand why 11 states have legalized its use for medicinal purposes.
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Old 05-17-2007, 02:37 PM   #22
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Not confused at all....I would gamble that I am forced into a position to know more about hemp and pot than the average person. I was just agreeing with Preacher that "Pot" IS dangerous...

This is not anti-hemp...just a rebuttal for those who have made pro-pot comments.
Sorry, LLT - it's just alot of folks blur the line between recreational pot and industrial hemp, as I'm sure you know. It's big business interests keeping industrialized hemp out of the mainstream, IMO. I also support the legalization of recreational marijuana, but only because the current "war" against it is as effective as Prohibition was back in the '20s and early '30s - in a word, it isn't. Make it legal, take the criminal element out of it and then tax the hell out of it, I say.
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Old 05-17-2007, 02:43 PM   #23
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Sorry, LLT - it's just alot of folks blur the line between recreational pot and industrial hemp, as I'm sure you know. It's big business interests keeping industrialized hemp out of the mainstream, IMO. I also support the legalization of recreational marijuana, but only because the current "war" against it is as effective as Prohibition was back in the '20s and early '30s - in a word, it isn't. Make it legal, take the criminal element out of it and then tax the hell out of it, I say.
That is my thoughts exactly fansince...

Go ahead and legalize it and tax it. Its not coming off the streets now and then you can keep the money from going to fund criminal organizations. I remember a few years back they were trying some sort of ad campaign saying something like, "if you buy pot, you support terrorism..."

I think that is moronic, personally... and what's the point... you're not gonna change the pot communities mind. So legalize it, grow it, tax it, sell it, rinse, repeat...
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I remember a few years back they were trying some sort of ad campaign saying something like, "if you buy pot, you support terrorism..."
Yep, I remember that campaign and I thought it was an extremely weak argument - if you buy gas, your supporting terrorism MORE. The House of Saud are no more our friends than al-Qaeda is.
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Old 05-17-2007, 03:23 PM   #25
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Actually to be specific...30 states and the District of Columbia have laws recognizing marijuana medicinal value...Since 1996 10 states have enacted laws that effectively allow patiants to use marijuana ...and a 12th state, Maryland, has established a law that protects medical marijuana patiants from jail...but not arrest

10 states have "therapeutic Research Program" laws but do not give legal access to medical marijuana

8 states and the District of Columbia solely have symbolic laws that recognize medical marijuana but give no protection from arrest.

BUT....Two major court decisions . U.S. vs. Cannabis Buyers Cooperative...Gonzales vs Raich...and a third that the court deemed redundant, Conant vs Walters ...have confirmed that medical necessity cannot be used to avoud federal prosecution....and that the federal government can arrest and prosecute patients in states where medical marijuana is legal under state law.

Bottom Line: State Law does not supercede state law...so if the Feds want to confiscate your home..business..car...They can if they find drugs there.
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Sorry, LLT - it's just alot of folks blur the line between recreational pot and industrial hemp, as I'm sure you know. It's big business interests keeping industrialized hemp out of the mainstream, IMO. I also support the legalization of recreational marijuana, but only because the current "war" against it is as effective as Prohibition was back in the '20s and early '30s - in a word, it isn't. Make it legal, take the criminal element out of it and then tax the hell out of it, I say.

That is one of the BIGGEST reason why the line gets blurred. Those who argue for industrial hemp, often argue for it as the first step in legalizing pot. Those who speak of it, are also the ones who usually (not always) smoke it. Thus, the two are seen as one in the same.

Hemp as clothing/Rope/ Etc. will become legal when more and more people who do NOT want it legal as a drug argues for it in industrial uses.
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Actually to be specific...30 states and the District of Columbia have laws recognizing marijuana medicinal value...Since 1996 10 states have enacted laws that effectively allow patiants to use marijuana ...and a 12th state, Maryland, has established a law that protects medical marijuana patiants from jail...but not arrest

10 states have "therapeutic Research Program" laws but do not give legal access to medical marijuana

8 states and the District of Columbia solely have symbolic laws that recognize medical marijuana but give no protection from arrest.

BUT....Two major court decisions . U.S. vs. Cannabis Buyers Cooperative...Gonzales vs Raich...and a third that the court deemed redundant, Conant vs Walters ...have confirmed that medical necessity cannot be used to avoud federal prosecution....and that the federal government can arrest and prosecute patients in states where medical marijuana is legal under state law.

Bottom Line: State Law does not supercede state law...so if the Feds want to confiscate your home..business..car...They can if they find drugs there.

YEP....

Now, get ready for the states rights arguments.
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YEP....

Now, get ready for the states rights arguments.
Mute point..already went to Supreme Court...States lost.

I know what you mean though...there will be those who state that the state has the right to make laws that override federal law
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Mute point..already went to Supreme Court...States lost.

I know what you mean though...there will be those who state that the state has the right to make laws that override federal law
but when the doctor writes the script for maijuana, you don't go to the local corner dope peddler to get it filled. so why aren't the feds busting the people supplying it to medical facilities?
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but when the doctor writes the script for maijuana, you don't go to the local corner dope peddler to get it filled. so why aren't the feds busting the people supplying it to medical facilities?
99% of drug busts are local and state...but they are...that is what the first court case was about
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