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Old 05-24-2007, 05:55 PM   #11
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Default Re: The Republicans have sold out America.

we could build the american version of "The Great Wall of China" but unfortunately we would need illegal foreign manpower to accomplish such a task.

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Old 05-24-2007, 06:06 PM   #12
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That's the first time I've ever been called a bleeding heart in my life. And why? I guess because I don't think seeing 20,000,000 people shot just because they are different is such a great idea.

I'm too new to cause any trouble, but I still think this is way too complicated for any quick and easy solution.
No, you'd like to see 20 million people rewarded for breaking the law. That's what earsn you your membership into the Bleeding Hearts Club. And yes, I would indeed shoot 20 million people if it meant protecting America and upholding the law. But the Bleeding Hearts Club isn't about enforcing the law, it's about changing the law so nobody gets their feelings hurt.
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Old 05-24-2007, 06:38 PM   #13
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Eek. I'm staying out of this one..

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Old 05-24-2007, 06:52 PM   #14
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Default Re: The Republicans have sold out America.

Take this poll for what it is worth.


Two-thirds of those polled say illegal immigrants who have a clean employment record and no criminal history should gain legal status as the bill proposes: by paying at least $5,000 in fines and fees and receiving a renewable four-year visa.


If a majority of the country thinks it is okie-dokie to buy your way out of illegal immigration by paying a $5000 fine as long as you are not a criminal, I have completely lost touch with majority opinion in this country.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/24/us...d-poll.html?hp

But the poll has a current 30-63 approval/disapproval rating for W so I am hesitant to say it is inaccurate.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...070525poll.pdf
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Old 05-24-2007, 07:24 PM   #15
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I'm too new to cause any trouble.....

Whoa, bruddah Steeler fan. Just one second, let me initiate you...

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GABBA GABBA WE ACCEPT YOU WE ACCEPT YOU ONE OF US.
GABBA GABBA WE ACCEPT YOU WE ACCEPT YOU ONE OF US.


OK, now you can go ahead and cause trouble.

Seriously; this is one of the very best places you will find for discussing issues. Jump in, the water is boiling hot! And don't forget; always attack the idea, never the person behind it.


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Old 05-24-2007, 07:52 PM   #16
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Take this poll for what it is worth.


Two-thirds of those polled say illegal immigrants who have a clean employment record and no criminal history should gain legal status as the bill proposes: by paying at least $5,000 in fines and fees and receiving a renewable four-year visa.


If a majority of the country thinks it is okie-dokie to buy your way out of illegal immigration by paying a $5000 fine as long as you are not a criminal, I have completely lost touch with majority opinion in this country.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/24/us...d-poll.html?hp

But the poll has a current 30-63 approval/disapproval rating for W so I am hesitant to say it is inaccurate.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...070525poll.pdf
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Old 05-24-2007, 08:18 PM   #17
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Default Re: The Republicans have sold out America.

Agree with the title of this thread ....

The Repubs have sold out America


They're the type you have to ask to leave the wedding reception because they get too drunk on power and money.
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Old 05-24-2007, 09:03 PM   #18
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Agreed.

Like trade with China that devastates American industries, people like the cheap prices illegal immigation brings until the costs outweigh those benefits.

Working out how to balance thse costs and benefits, which are not distributed evenly, is a tough issue for most people who are not as smart as Dick Morris, Sean Hannity and Pat Buchanan.

Let's just say this President probably is not in the best position from a political or for that matter credibility standpoint to be making those tough choices these days and may be cutting deals in a desperate attempt to have a legacy that rests on more than his foreign policy record.

Very good post Atlanta Dan. I also do not like this bill going through, it's both sides fasult also on this one, Democrat and Republican. And I have already notified my congressman. Spector and Casey.
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[QUOTE=Atlanta Dan;250513]Take this poll for what it is worth.


Two-thirds of those polled say illegal immigrants who have a clean employment record and no criminal history should gain legal status as the bill proposes: by paying at least $5,000 in fines and fees and receiving a renewable four-year visa.


If a majority of the country thinks it is okie-dokie to buy your way out of illegal immigration by paying a $5000 fine as long as you are not a criminal, I have completely lost touch with majority opinion in this country.
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Kinda like the exit polls in 2004 that had Kerry winning by a landslide?
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