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Old 05-30-2007, 09:16 PM   #1
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The NFL may be the most successful league in the country, but that doesn't mean it's without competition.
Bill Hambrecht, a Wall Street businessman, and Tim Armstrong, a senior executive at Google, have decided to start up a rival football league, the United Football League, according to a report on the New York Times web site Wednesday.For those worried that the UFL will lack name recognition, Hambrecht and Armstrong already have one owner lined up: Mark Cuban, the billionaire owner of the Dallas Mavericks.
And though the league is having a difficult time finding other owners, it appears Cuban is committed to the plan. The league intends to play its first preseason games in August of 2008.
And where will the league find the talent necessary to attract fans?
"(Former NFL coach) Bill Walsh used to tell me that the last 20 players cut from every team were almost interchangeable with the last 20 players to make the team," Hambrecht says.
So far, the UFL has decided to put teams in Los Angeles, Las Vegas and Mexico City. Cuban, unsurprisingly, is considering buying the team in Vegas, according to the report.
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Old 05-30-2007, 09:24 PM   #2
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Default Re: New start up league could rival NFL.

USFL anyone? Did any of you ever go to a Pittsburgh Maulers' game? I did. :)
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Old 05-30-2007, 09:33 PM   #3
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For those worried that the UFL will lack name recognition, Hambrecht and Armstrong already have one owner lined up: Mark Cuban, the billionaire owner of the Dallas Mavericks.
So what? The XFL had Vince McMahon, who knows a thing or two about successful "sporting" ventures (even if they're fake) himself, and that tanked after a single season.

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"(Former NFL coach) Bill Walsh used to tell me that the last 20 players cut from every team were almost interchangeable with the last 20 players to make the team," Hambrecht says.
And the "last" 20 guys to make a roster are typically 3rd and 4th stringers with some career special teamers to boot. Anybody who invests money in this is a fool, IMO. The AFL survived back in the '60s because at the time baseball was still king and there were no multi-billion dollar TV revenues flowing into the NFL's coffers, making the playing field between the rival leagues a bit more level. This league doesn't stand a chance against the NFL in head-to-head competition during the fall - they'd be better off making it a spring/summer league, if anything. That might increase it's shelf life to possibly three years instead of one (remember the USFL?), if they get lucky. Bad idea.
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And exactly what TV network is going to broadcast these games and run the risk of antagonizing the NFL? Good luck paying salaries out of gate receipts.
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proof that some people have more money than brains....
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So what? The XFL had Vince McMahon, who knows a thing about successful "sporting" ventures (even if they're fake) himself, and that tanked after a single season.



And the "last" 20 guys to make a roster are typically 3rd and 4th stringers with some career special teamers to boot. Anybody who invests money in this is a fool, IMO. The AFL survived back in the '60s because at the time baseball was still king and there were no multi-billion dollar TV revenues flowing into the NFL's coffers, making the playing field between the rival leagues a bit more level. This league doesn't stand a chance against the NFL in head-to-head competition during the fall - they'd be better off making it a spring/summer league, if anything. That might increase it's shelf life to possibly three years instead of one (remember the USFL?), if they get lucky. Bad idea.
The AFL was on life support until it got its contract with NBC in the mid-60s and appointed Al Davis to be a wartime consigliere to head up raids on top NFL talent. There is no market for watching NFL special teams players and no viable roster of cities that are not served by the NFL.
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Default Re: New start up league could rival NFL.

NASCAR was even supposed to have a rivalry league a few years back. while there are plenty of teams and drivers this idea is still on the shelf.

mark cuban needs to learn a lesson from his "buddy" donald trump (USFL) and make a stronger push to buy the pirates.
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The AFL was on life support until it got its contract with NBC in the mid-60s and appointed Al Davis to be a wartime consigliere to head up raids on top NFL talent. There is no market for watching NFL special teams players and no viable roster of cities that are not served by the NFL.
Well, that was a little before my time, so thanks for the clarification. This would be nothing more than a slaughter by the NFL. The WFL didn't last too long either, even using "talent raiding" tactics against the NFL (Csonka, Kiick, Warfield). Again, this is a really bad idea. As the old cliche' goes, a fool and his money are soon parted.
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Default Re: New start up league could rival NFL.

While the thought to create a rival league for the NFL is interesting, it's a bit too late for a league to rival them. They are too strong and the fan base is too large for anyone to try to place a wedge between the fans and the teams.

Really the only thing that would help another football league survive would be for the NFL to strike. Then, and it's only a MAYBE THEN, would another league have an opportunity.

But hey, if they want to put something on in the spring to pass the time away and help me forget that the NBA and MLB are almost worthless, I'd probably watch a few games.
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NASCAR was even supposed to have a rivalry league a few years back. while there are plenty of teams and drivers this idea is still on the shelf.

mark cuban needs to learn a lesson from his "buddy" donald trump (USFL) and make a stronger push to buy the pirates.
I've been hoping that for years now. I think he's getting worn down by the NBA.
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