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Old 09-10-2005, 03:37 PM   #31
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Default Re: Raiders @ Patriots...

Pretty much what I'm hearing is that I am wrong, even in arguments I am not trying to make, because you say so.

Nonsense, indeed...
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Old 09-10-2005, 04:00 PM   #32
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I will never understand this attitude you get on some forums - you post an opinion.... you should prepare for people to pass judgement on it.

You say what you want and that is fine...freedom of speech and all that....but please stop whining about how you are wrong because I say so.

If you dont want anyone to disagree with you....keep them thoughts where they originated...in your head!

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Old 09-10-2005, 04:21 PM   #33
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I will never understand this attitude you get on some forums - you post an opinion.... you should prepare for people to pass judgement on it.

You say what you want and that is fine...freedom of speech and all that....but please stop whining about how you are wrong because I say so.

If you dont want anyone to disagree with you....keep them thoughts where they originated...in your head!

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But this is essentially the pot calling the kettle black! You are doing the exact same thing I'm doing, albeit with a few ad hominem attacks thrown in for good measure.

Look here?let?s take a couple of arguments I?ve made and put them to the test:



A) I said conservative football is best, and you disagreed. You said "Look what conservative play calling got the Colts last year". Here?s two examples of why that?s silly. One is the 2002 Jim Tressel led Buckeyes. They played ultra-conservative all year, and Tressel makes no secret that he thinks the punt is the most important play in football. Where did they end up? As National Champions. Actually, this is really silly on your part because it?s an attempt to sit on both sides of the fence, since Bill Belichick is easily one of the most conservative coaches in the NFL. He plays ball control offense, emphasizing defense and special teams and building early leads and protecting them.


B) I said the loss of the OC, DC and players who represented 250 tackles on your defense will take it's toll on the Pats this year and they won't win the division, and you disagreed. Fine...but how do you know I'm wrong? Are you prescient? That's why they play the season. You are stating I'm wrong based on no facts, just opinions...essentially you are saying MY opnions are wrong because they are not YOUR opinions.


So, let's summarize. We both have opinions, but, when I express mine, it's "opinionated nonsense", and when you express yours, they are the correct and proper opinions.


That's why this is growing tiresome. I've tried to be a little blithe here and there, poke fun at a couple different teams and such, but you don't seem to have much of a sense of humor either. It's no fun arguing with people who are right all the time, even when they aren't.
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Old 09-10-2005, 05:02 PM   #34
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You appear to be totally oblivious to the irony of your last post....OF COURSE I am doing what you are doing....its called a debate.

When I post an opinion I am quite happy to read replies and make further comment - I never tell people they cant post..which is esssentially what you are saying to me.

I think my efforts have borne some fruit - you have now given me some examples of how conservative play calling can work out well and I respect your opinion.

I fail to see how that PUNT can possibly be the most important play in football, if that was the case then surely there would be punters going in the 1st round?

I am well aware that a blocked punt can cause serious issues with field placement but surely the lack of a decent QB would present larger problems - see 2004 Dolphins.

What you wont get with me is posts that are consistently prefaced with IMO...or JMO...or IMHO....its pretty much a given that most of my posts are based on my opinion - if I have facts then I shall draw attn to that.

I have to wonder if you are deliberately misinterpreting my posts - I have never said that I KNEW that Patriots will win their division but merely that, in my judgement, they were the best team in the division and a had a better than average chance of finishing top.

Please try to be a little less sensitive - I enjoy the back and forth of debating football on forums.

cheers

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Default Re: Raiders @ Patriots...

I've been posting in MB smack forums for 7-8 years, way back in the infancy of these things...not only am I not sensitive, I'd say I've been pretty thoroughly DE-sensitized over the years...

Other than that, we seem to be back on track here...
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