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Old 06-14-2007, 03:50 PM   #11
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Default Re: ESPN's Ultimate Depth Chart: AFC North

Just for fun, and to show how far off these preseason rankings/picks are, here is what ESPN listed as their power rankings right before the 2006 season started.

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Old 06-14-2007, 05:42 PM   #12
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I know we all saw the egg the Bengals laid last year against the Colts and the Patriots. The Colts game was one of the worst coached games, especially on the defensive side, I have ever seen and the Pats game was horribly executed. Of course since this is a Steelers message board, I will mention December 31, 2006. Steelers 23-17. Where was the defense? Win and they were in. When a slant rout that is designed to go for 7-12 yards goes for 60+ and for a TD... Lets not forget that the Bengals, with their "high powered offense", were 8-8 last year as well. Where was the defense on January 8, 2006? The Bengals were up by 17 points and lost.
OK, you've proved that the Bengals are not better than the Steelers. I don't remember anyone saying that they were, but good job.
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Lastly, about a Bengals fan ripping the Steelers team/fans about living in the past, If you had a past you would not be saying that. So do not be jealous. The Bengals are only marginally better than the Browns. But at least the Browns have more players, over the last 40 years, in the Hall of Fame. Besides I am sure you took the quote out of context.
If you're referencing the quote in my signature, it's actually referring to LITP, you know, the person. Someone else had a quote involving him in their signature a while ago so I decided to follow the trend.
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Old 06-14-2007, 06:04 PM   #13
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The Bengals get the 'best offense' award by default - they seem to be good at running up the score on poor teams (granted, they put 40 on the Chargers!) but I was underwhelmed by their effort against the Patriots.
40 points against the chargers (7th ranked defense)
31 against the saints (13th ranked defense)
28 against the steelers (12th ranked defense)
27 against the falcons (16th ranked defense)
27 against the raiders (3rd ranked defense)
23 against the broncos (8th ranked defense)
23 against the chiefs (11th ranked defense)
17 against the panthers (9th ranked defense)

The Patriots were the only team ranked in the top half of the league defensively against whom the Bengals did not score 17+ points. The Bengals averaged 25.4 points per game against teams ranked in the top half of the league defensively (including the patriots). Not too shabby for a team that runs up the score on poor teams. That's above their average of 23.3 points per game for the entire season.
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Old 06-14-2007, 07:42 PM   #14
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good burn but...

defense wins championships. while the bungles can score all they want during the regular season, theres nothing to stop them doing what they did vs. the chargers if they ever do get in the playoffs. and when it mattered most the bengals could do nothing but trip all over themselves against the colts, denver and pittsburgh.
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good burn but...

defense wins championships. while the bungles can score all they want during the regular season, theres nothing to stop them doing what they did vs. the chargers if they ever do get in the playoffs. and when it mattered most the bengals could do nothing but trip all over themselves against the colts, denver and pittsburgh.


You beat me to the punches Tone. You know, the '15th ranking against the run' Jab, the '31st ranking against the pass' right cross,.....and the '30th in total Defense' uppercut.

Which combined even with a better than average offense still equals,.....KO'd kittens.
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Old 06-14-2007, 09:21 PM   #16
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good burn but...

defense wins championships. while the bungles can score all they want during the regular season, theres nothing to stop them doing what they did vs. the chargers if they ever do get in the playoffs. and when it mattered most the bengals could do nothing but trip all over themselves against the colts, denver and pittsburgh.
Oh believe me, I know our defense sucks, or at least it did last year.

Things are looking a little better on that front...if Odell keeps his nose clean he can make a huge impact, Ahmad Brooks showed a lot of promise in his first year...Johnathan Joseph and Leon Hall should put some pressure on Deltha O'Neal to perform. Plus we got rid of fat ass Sam Adams.

If the Bengals could move up to 16th in overall defense, I think that could put them over the hump, assuming the offense continues to perform. If not, I guess it will be another 8-8 or early playoff exit.
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The Bengals are only marginally better than the Browns.
Even if you're talking about the past that's a bit of a stretch .. The Bungs at least have 2 SB appearances - a heartbreaking dropped INT by Lewis Billups and a 4th and goal from the 1 away from 2 rings themselves.. The Browns have nothing along those lines except maybe allowing Elway to become a comeback superstar...
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Oh believe me, I know our defense sucks, or at least it did last year.

Things are looking a little better on that front...if Odell keeps his nose clean he can make a huge impact, Ahmad Brooks showed a lot of promise in his first year...Johnathan Joseph and Leon Hall should put some pressure on Deltha O'Neal to perform. Plus we got rid of fat ass Sam Adams.

If the Bengals could move up to 16th in overall defense, I think that could put them over the hump, assuming the offense continues to perform. If not, I guess it will be another 8-8 or early playoff exit.
If The Bengals Oline stays healthy unlike last season their Offense will be simply overwhelming. If injuries don't kill them again they will do much better tha 8-8... The defense will be improved with guys like Peko, Joseph and Jeanty getting another year under their belt..
Question: are they going to stick with Ghiacuic or however you spell it or the kid from Ohio State they grabbed from AZ at center?
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Even if you're talking about the past that's a bit of a stretch .. The Bungs at least have 2 SB appearances - a heartbreaking dropped INT by Lewis Billups and a 4th and goal from the 1 away from 2 rings themselves.. The Browns have nothing along those lines except maybe allowing Elway to become a comeback superstar...
Base fact in that is the browns are 11-20 in the playoffs, were as the bengals are 5-8 in the playoffs. Regardless of what, Bengals still have not won a SB.. Browns actually in team history have a overall winning record were as the bengals still have a overall loosing record as a franchise. It may not be SB Lombardi's but the Browns do have 4 NFL Championships. Past few years the Bengals have shown promise were as the Browns sit at the bottom.
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40 points against the chargers (7th ranked defense)
31 against the saints (13th ranked defense)
28 against the steelers (12th ranked defense)
27 against the falcons (16th ranked defense)
27 against the raiders (3rd ranked defense)
23 against the broncos (8th ranked defense)
23 against the chiefs (11th ranked defense)
17 against the panthers (9th ranked defense)

The Patriots were the only team ranked in the top half of the league defensively against whom the Bengals did not score 17+ points. The Bengals averaged 25.4 points per game against teams ranked in the top half of the league defensively (including the patriots). Not too shabby for a team that runs up the score on poor teams. That's above their average of 23.3 points per game for the entire season.
Nice stats, man.

Its funny I never would have put the Saints as high as 13th in points conceded.

One team you can take off the list though - the Raiders conceded 332 points (18th) which is one point worse than the Bengals!
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