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Old 06-26-2007, 01:52 PM   #21
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Well, Denver has already adopted these smoking bans in bars and restaurants here - as a smoker, I've adjusted.
MA. did this years ago. It's amazing how much less you smoke when it's 10 degrees outside.
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Old 06-26-2007, 01:56 PM   #22
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I can't wait for football season to start... I'm done here. I'll never change a smokers mind and they will still piss me off when I'm stuck near them.

Yes its an obsessive topic for me. You've no idea. Well... perhaps if you watched your father rot from the inside out and wiped away the blood he coughed up. Then you might be able to relate.

Being unable to breathe because your lungs don't work is an evil way to die.

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Old 06-26-2007, 01:56 PM   #23
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Works for me.... If it means that my insurance costs will drop then sure. How about we ban cars as well because after all people die using them. Lets ban water too. Every year about 3,200 people drown.

Smoking has not one good redeeming value. What benefit comes from smoking? Your nicotine buzz?
I don't see any redeeming quality from drinking either, especially when half of traffic fatalities every year are alcohol-related.
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Old 06-26-2007, 01:58 PM   #24
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I don't see any redeeming quality from drinking either, especially when half of traffic fatalities every year are alcohol-related.
Is that the truth. Some of those alcohol related crashes are TEENS drinking.
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Old 06-26-2007, 02:00 PM   #25
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Is that the truth. Some of those alcohol related crashes are TEENS drinking.
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Old 06-26-2007, 02:04 PM   #26
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I haven't made it a habit to breath in nerve gas for a prolonged period of time in a controlled environment either. Tobacco companies have been skirting the truth about smoking for years.

If you want to believe that breathing in 2nd hand smoke is OK thats your choice to do so. But don't expect others to accept it as fact because you have a newspaper article.
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I don't see any redeeming quality from drinking either, especially when half of traffic fatalities every year are alcohol-related.
You didn't bother to read the link I posted did you?

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Old 06-26-2007, 02:07 PM   #28
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I haven't made it a habit to breath in nerve gas for a prolonged period of time in a controlled environment either. Tobacco companies have been skirting the truth about smoking for years.

If you want to believe that breathing in 2nd hand smoke is OK thats your choice to do so. But don't expect others to accept it as fact because you have a newspaper article.
I'm not saying it's fact, but I don't drink the ALA's kool-aid on it either, because they're just as biased the other way. I grew up around smokers myself, and I never got asthma, emphysema, or chronic bronchitis as some "studies" I've read about what folks who are exposed to secondhand smoke are supposedly "doomed" to.
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I have no problem with smoking being banned in PUBLIC places... Non-smoking sections of restaurants are a joke. Just go into Denny's and sit in the non-smoking section... then walk out and smell your clothes. I also have no problem with making the smoking area 40 feet away from doors... Why move smokers outside, just to make people walk through the smoke.

However, here is what I DO have a problem with. in CA, they are now trying to ban smoking in OPEN AIR PARKS... yep, thats right... Also in APARTMENT BUILDINGS...

Pretty soon, they will ban it EVERYWHERE by law, yet, not have a law making the product itself illegal. How stupid. This ENTIRE smoking thing is one more politically driven schizophrenic group of ideas.

However, HTG... I gotta disagree with you. Taxing smoking, like alcohol, is a good thing. It is what I call a choice tax. Both products are not in ANY way shape or form necessary for life, thus, it makes sense to tax those products rather then products which all or most people must use as a part of life, such as milk, meat (please, no one put in a vegeterian rant here... people... if you have to take supplements when you don't eat meat, THEN THE BODY WASN'T MADE TO NOT EAT MEAT), gas tax, Hwy tolls etc.

However, what I DON"T like is the idea of social engineering through the tax code, and unfortunetly, that is exactly what many in our government try to do... including banning certain products by taxation.

I guess, what we really need, is politicians that care more about their communities, then one that care about being re-elected. That way, if cigarettes are bad, they will be banned... instead of taxed and legislated out of existence.
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You didn't bother to read the link I posted did you?



http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritio...e/alcohol.html
Who commissioned the studies? Anheuser-Busch? Wait a year or so, and the results of yet another study will be released pretty much contradicting it all anyway.
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