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Old 06-26-2007, 01:11 PM   #31
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The alcohol argument makes me laugh. Smokers who can't puff away at the bar want to outlaw liquor too??? Yeah right. lol
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Old 06-26-2007, 01:14 PM   #32
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The alcohol argument makes me laugh. Smokers who can't puff away at the bar want to outlaw liquor too??? Yeah right. lol
That doesn't make much sense at all. More than 90% of all alcoholics also smoke.

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* More than 90 per cent of alcoholics smoke, compared to fewer than a third of non-alcoholics.
* Alcoholics smoke more cigarettes per day than do nonalcoholic smokers.
* Alcoholics are more likely to smoke mentholated cigarettes.
* The number of cigarettes a person consumes rises in tandem with the number of drinks consumed.
* Almost every smoker who smokes more than two packs a day is also an alcoholic.

Source: T. Bien and R. Barge, Smoking and Drinking, a Review of the Literature (1990), International Journal of the Addictions 25(12).
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Old 06-26-2007, 01:17 PM   #33
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Heres a news flash, smoking is really bad for you.

I don't smoke. I don't want to breath anyones second hand smoke. If you want to kill yourself thats your perogative, but don't go sign up for medicare and expect me to pay for your oxygen tank and all the medical bills that go along with your future health problems.

Banning smoking in public places isn't taking away anyones rights, it enforces everyones right to breath clean air.
Here's a news flash for you if you indulge in alcohol - not only isn't alcohol good for you, it isn't good for the thousands of poor, defenseless victims of drunk drivers every year. Non-smokers have the option of getting away from the boogie man - a drunk driving victim doesn't have that option.

Here's another news flash - most of us over 40 smokers kicked into Medicare long before you were even a twinkle in your Daddy's eye and still kick into it, so that point is moot.

I think they should ban perfume and cologne in public places, too. I'd rather breathe in my smoke and that of others than some of that rank sh it they bottle and sell that people bathe in.
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Old 06-26-2007, 01:18 PM   #34
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The alcohol argument makes me laugh. Smokers who can't puff away at the bar want to outlaw liquor too??? Yeah right. lol
DAMNED STRAIGHT. God help the first drunk I see staggering out of a restaurant or bar - I'll be on the phone to the po-po faster than they can belch.
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Old 06-26-2007, 01:21 PM   #35
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The alcohol argument makes me laugh. Smokers who can't puff away at the bar want to outlaw liquor too??? Yeah right. lol
Um, that's not what they're saying. They're saying that if the government wants to ban one, then they should ban the other, because both can cause serious health problems, not to mention that many innocent people are killed every year by drunken idiots who decide to get behind the wheel of a car. On top of that, when you go to a sporting event, you have to deal with drunks shouting obscenities, starting fights, and generally being obnoxious a$$holes...but evidently that's OK. Plus, it's extremely hypocritical for the government to tax a product that they find so horrible that they want to ban it everywhere, including outdoor parks and apartment buildings (to quote Preacher, if he doesn't mind), rather than just forgetting about the money they make off of smokers and banning the product altogether. The latter just proves that they really don't give a shit about the public health - they just want the $$$ and more control over your life.
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Toodles... I'm done in here.
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Um, that's not what they're saying. They're saying that if the government wants to ban one, then they should ban the other, because both can cause serious health problems, not to mention that many innocent people are killed every year by drunken idiots who decide to get behind the wheel of a car. On top of that, when you go to a sporting event, you have to deal with drunks shouting obscenities, starting fights, and generally being obnoxious a$$holes...but evidently that's OK. Plus, it's extremely hypocritical for the government to tax a product that they find so horrible that they want to ban it everywhere, including outdoor parks and apartment buildings (to quote Preacher, if he doesn't mind), rather than just forgetting about the money they make off of smokers and banning the product altogether. The latter just proves that they really don't give a shit about the public health - they just want the $$$ and more control over your life.
Right on, X-T - my smoking habit is a nasty one I'm gonna have to break, bottom line, but my biggest problem with this sort of government intervention is the hypocrisy of it all.
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I give up. Smoke em if you got em. Its your funeral.

In all honesty, I'm not that worried about 2nd hand smoke. I just get up and walk away. But you won't make that many friends with your fellow smokers when you cut off thier liquor. Lets face it if thier were more people in the bar not smoking it would have been banned a long time ago.
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However, HTG... I gotta disagree with you. Taxing smoking, like alcohol, is a good thing. It is what I call a choice tax. Both products are not in ANY way shape or form necessary for life, thus, it makes sense to tax those products rather then products which all or most people must use as a part of life, such as milk, meat (please, no one put in a vegeterian rant here... people... if you have to take supplements when you don't eat meat, THEN THE BODY WASN'T MADE TO NOT EAT MEAT), gas tax, Hwy tolls etc.
The HUGE difference in what you state above, Father, is that the state slaps an enormous tax on cigarettes but is trying to ban smoking. I haven't seen or read anywhere that the state is trying to ban alcohol. If you're going to ban one unnecessary evil, then ban the other. Be consistent. Oh wait - we're talking about government, huh?
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DAMNED STRAIGHT. God help the first drunk I see staggering out of a restaurant or bar - I'll be on the phone to the po-po faster than they can belch.
INteresting. I was working at a gas station trying to pay for seminary. Those times I had to work the register and close, it was amazing how many times I had to call the police on Drunk drivers. They would wander and stagger into the place, pay for gas and a bag of chips, then stagger back... barely get in the car, and drive off. Every dang time, I would get thier plates... dial 911... and send the cops after them.

Sorry if that offends anyone... but really, I don't care. If someone is stupid enough to put someone else's life at risk for thier own enjoyment/comfort, then they deserve what is coming to them.
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