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Old 07-06-2007, 04:47 PM   #121
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Congrats Dems, you are more unpopular than the Prez. And this type of politics isnt helping. After all the grandstanding from last year's elections they have managed to backtrack, swindle and divert their gain into some of the worst action (or lack of) in a very long time. I sense voter backlash in 2008.
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Congrats Dems, you are more unpopular than the Prez. And this type of politics isnt helping. After all the grandstanding from last year's elections they have managed to backtrack, swindle and divert their gain into some of the worst action (or lack of) in a very long time. I sense voter backlash in 2008.
Problem is... Republicans are doing the same.

Which means that in the end, voters will again have to pick between the horrible candidate #1 and horrible candidate #2.

I am so sick of politics.
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Old 07-13-2007, 02:47 PM   #123
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For anyone who wants to check out a source document (which is what I am citing in my future posts on political hot button isues) as opposed to poster's views on the Scooter Libby matter, attached is a link to Judge Walton's order holding that Libby can still be subject to supevised release even though he will not serve any prison sentence.

In footnote 1 to his order JudgeWalton addresses the "tension" between the President's observation that Scooter's 30 month sentence was "excessive" and various pronouncemnts by the Justice Dept. regarding the reasonableness of guidelines range sentences.

http://howappealing.law.com/LibbySup...seDecision.pdf
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Old 07-13-2007, 08:06 PM   #124
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For anyone who wants to check out a source document (which is what I am citing in my future posts on political hot button isues) as opposed to poster's views on the Scooter Libby matter, attached is a link to Judge Walton's order holding that Libby can still be subject to supevised release even though he will not serve any prison sentence.

In footnote 1 to his order JudgeWalton addresses the "tension" between the President's observation that Scooter's 30 month sentence was "excessive" and various pronouncemnts by the Justice Dept. regarding the reasonableness of guidelines range sentences.

http://howappealing.law.com/LibbySup...seDecision.pdf

LOL: First, he establishes that the sentence he imposed is at the MINIMUM of the suggested range; then he establishes that the range takes into account a defendant's history (comparing it to other cases of the same crime with a similar defendant)... "Indeed, only recently the President's Attorney General called for the passage of legislation to 'restore the binding nature of sentencing so that the bottom of the sentencing range would be a minimum for judges, not merely a suggestion' [and then he cites his source, Alberto Gonzales]. In light of these considerations, and given the indisputable importance of 'provid[ing] certainty and fairness in sentencing... [and] avoid[ing] unwarranted sentencing disparities' [again he cites the source of his quote], it is fair to say that the Court is somewhat perplexed as to how its sentence could be characterized as "excessive".

My dad is a lifelong Republican. He served as an elected Republican official locally; he has always contributed to the Republican Party, and he is completely loyal. But this has him hopped up mad. He actually said that he would write a letter letting them know what he thinks, but he actually believes that it would get him on a "to watch" list that would interfere with his traveling. He sees the Scooter Libby clemency as the last straw. He would actually vote Democrat in the next election, as long as Hillary isn't nominated.

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Old 07-13-2007, 09:16 PM   #125
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He would actually vote Democrat in the next election, as long as Hillary isn't nominated.

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this is what sucks. hilary seems to be one of the most polarizing figures we could possibly have right now and i cant see more than half the population of america taking her seriously let alone the world. of course i dont know your dad, but i can practically gurantee a life long republican would be a hell of alot more satisfied with bill richardson (D) as president (who i feel is the most qualified candidate on both sides of the fence for the situation we find ourselves in today), as opposed to hillary clinton.

the headline i read today when i logged on is that n. korea has actually reached out to have 1 on 1 talks with america. now im not gonna credit all this to gov. bill, but hes had alot more to do with it than the current admin or democratic candidates.

http://forums.steelersfever.com/show...ill+richardson

of course this can be called small fry compared to the bigger fishe we are dealing with, but atleast were not biting off more than we are ready to cheww by pressing on against "the axis of evil".

i dont know all the plans he would have as far as getting out of iraq, i just know when it comes to foreign relations he would be taken a hell of alot more seriously than his current running mates. i feel he would be a president most people would trust and feel safe with, and at that is what is most important right now where we have seen the last 3 presidential elections become more and more divisive.
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[QUOTE=Blitzburgh;260695]EXCELLENT! ..... Let the blood letting begin. It will be fun watching to watch all the legal wrangling and squirming by the White House trying to get out of this one. Now let's hope the the Dems have the kahuna's to follow through on nailing these corrupt bastages until they're convicted. I hope they bring down this entire corrupt and deciptful GOP administration. Let it be a lesson to our country ..... "reap what you sew" These nimrods should have never been trusted to lead our country to begin with. The only good to come out of this administration is that Bush broke the GOP ticket for the next 20 years. Thanks to him, nobody trusts 'em or respect 'em as leaders.

Dear Blitz,

Haven't read the thread. Just read your original post. Wow, i think I want to become a democrat. I am really excited about the possibilities! Just need to know exactly what you stand for and why. That way I can hopefully make a rational decision to become a democrat! Please help!

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I'm afraid he won't be able to answer you, GB....
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Thats what I was thinking!
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Thats what I was thinking!
I don't understand? I think John F. Kennedy was an excellent president and a great American! Wasn't he a democrat? Doesn't he stand for the same things that democrats stand for today? Democrats haven't changed since then have they
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I've stayed out of this thread for a week or so, but in reading it tonight, I have to say to Dan, Mosca, Preacher, Tony and several others -

Thank You for keeping this thread respectable and for being the gentlemen you all are.
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