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Old 06-30-2007, 11:29 AM   #11
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then why did the deficit get worse for Clinton as it has for every president listed in the graph?
I think you misunderstanding revefsreleets point.

He is giving Clinton his fair share of blame (some might say he is a rabid Republican, not me though - I wouldn't say that at all)
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Old 06-30-2007, 01:56 PM   #12
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I think you misunderstanding revefsreleets point.

He is giving Clinton his fair share of blame (some might say he is a rabid Republican, not me though - I wouldn't say that at all)
True,

He's the typical Liberal Democrat.
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Old 06-30-2007, 10:51 PM   #13
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interesting blitz
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Old 07-01-2007, 05:47 PM   #14
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Disconcerting, to say the least. Reading skills continue to diminish, I guess.
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Old 07-01-2007, 10:17 PM   #15
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If you look at the spending on the late 60's programs as a percentage of GNP, S.S., Medicare, Medicaid, etc. after 1970, you will find they are a greater increase in the percentage of GNP than the deficit has been. What that means is if the democratic programs were never initiated, our debt may never have increased at all. So, comparing the deficit to the years before these democrat programs were initiated to 70's to now is comparing apples and oranges.

“It took Clinton six years to fix it”……actually,
One could ask how the heck they could claim surpluses while piling on more debt? Answer: Clinton siphoned-off the surplus from trust funds & spent it on non-pension stuff, they did not count that in their budget, then claimed they ‘want to save social security first’ as they drained the trust fund in the late 90’s—all this is fully described in the very sobering “Trust Fund Report.”

As far as Bush II, yes, he does spend like a drunken sailor. Inheriting a recession, 911, his response & the increased recession due to 911 even further hurt the economy. I’m sure you’re glad to know I won’t be voting for him in 2008!
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if i were an alien from another planet, looking at that chart for the 1st time, there are 2 things i could easilly surmise from the simple mathematical figures it represents.

-it is exponential

-the ONLY time it tapered off was during the time of clinton.
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I see that the two Bushes kind of made it worse, but it looks to me as it started way long ago from the Reagan era. I'm mean if the Clinton was that good how come it didn't decrease? He's got to share the load as well.
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if i were an alien from another planet, looking at that chart for the 1st time, there are 2 things i could easilly surmise from the simple mathematical figures it represents.

-it is exponential

-the ONLY time it tapered off was during the time of clinton.
If I were an alien with these two charts....and no other info, I would too.
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Old 07-01-2007, 10:51 PM   #19
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I see that the two Bushes kind of made it worse, but it looks to me as it started way long ago from the Reagan era. I'm mean if the Clinton was that good how come it didn't decrease? He's got to share the load as well.
there is simply no man alive who can make that chart decrease in a period of 8 years. were talking about trillions of dollars. the fact that that chart was tapered off should be viewed as an accomplishment in itself. one of the big tickets clinton ran on (and was schooled in) was balancing the budget.

as many years as it took for that chart to reach its heights is the minimal ammount of time we could ever expect (or even hope for) to bring back down to earth.

the sad thing is, if i were told we were gonna invade iraq for the sake of taking control of their oil revenues to bring us out of debt, i could atleast understand. instead we have increased our debt and will see nothing in return. good luck to the U.S. in forcing the rest of the middle east (and china) into becoming a democracy like our young, 231 year old nation.
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Again, clinton late 90's - All cash surpluses in trust funds were siphoned- off and spent on non-trust items.
In the early 2000s the nation admitted to running deficits - huge deficits on his watch. See the trust fund report...(for the 2nd time.)
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