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Old 08-23-2007, 08:15 PM   #401
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Default Re: Vick indicted

Lets see 1st he kills dog's then he goes to jail and now he will be well doing it doggy style all the time....
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Old 08-24-2007, 12:43 AM   #402
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Default Vick trying to call the shots with the feds - FAT CHANCE

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2989037

Watch the video it's very interesting. Seems in Vicks plea per his attorney's he's not planning on fessing up to killing any dogs or gambling. Guess that takes care of that and he can go home now. . Total freaking amazing? The guy is a scum bag.
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Old 08-24-2007, 01:11 AM   #403
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Looks like his father decided to give an interview.

http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sp...kdad_0824.html

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Old 08-24-2007, 02:13 AM   #404
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If he gets away with just a few months in jail... and ends up playing sometime this year... I am going to BE TICKED.
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Old 08-24-2007, 06:59 AM   #405
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I see this whole plea agreement falling off the table. No way the feds are going to buy this.......they have his "buddies" testimony to use against him.
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Old 08-24-2007, 07:46 AM   #406
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I cant wait to see what the judge does on Monday....
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Old 08-24-2007, 08:20 AM   #407
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I cant wait to see what the judge does on Monday....
Don't worry about this somehow being an escape by Vick.

If he will not enter a plea then he will not enter a plea; the judge cannot force him to plead guilty and will say see you for trial in November. Good prosecutors know defendants back out of plea deals all the time and are accordingly ready to proceed to trial.

This is what happens when you get an agreement in principle on a plea in immediate advance of a deadline and then it goes off the tracks because the defendant will not agree to admit certain facts during the plea colloquy.

Vick obviously does not want to admit to dog killling and gambling because of its impact on what Goodell will do (gambling) and having a potential future owner not being able to take the PR hit of signing up a dog killer. My bet is the defense attorneys said Vick would admit to those facts and now when it is time to sign Vick is getting conflicting advice (or listening to The Two Live Stews on Atlanta sports talk discussing how he he is being victimized) and is refusing to sign.

If their case is as strong as I believe it is, I agree completely with stillers4me that the prosecutors will tell Vick sign this plea agreement or get ready to get hammered with a superseding indictment. To paraphrase the saying in The Godfather, they are maiking Vick an offer he can't refuse and are going to have Vick's signature or his brains on that plea agreement.
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Old 08-24-2007, 12:15 PM   #408
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CNN.com is reporting a plea agreement will be filed today, so go figure. If the prosecution and defense jointly recommend an offense level in the pela agreement then the facts which Vick admits will not change the advisory guidelines range that will be set undr that joint recommendation. Sounds like the prosecutors will not be seeking a guidelines enhancemnt for Vick bankrolling the operation.

The judge is not required to find facts to be true beyond a reasonable doubt in using those facts as a basis for the sentence (and of course neither is Goodell) so if vick does not admit specific facts it shoudl not imnpact the sentence. OTOH, the prosecutors may want Vick to admnit ceratin conduct as part of acceptibg rsponsibility for his deeds.

If Vick does not admit the dog killing and gambling, the Two Live Stews of the world will now be claiming he has not been proven to have done anything seriously wrong and wa "forced" to plead guilty for the crime of "stupidity.". The reaction to Vick's plea has reminded me of the divide between many black and white Americans as to how this society operates.
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Old 08-24-2007, 12:58 PM   #409
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Here is the link to Vick's plea agreement

http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/ajc/pdf/vi...ge_tab_newstab

Both parties agree to net offense level of 13, which puts the advisory guidelines range sentence at 12-18 months; Govt. will recommend sentence at low end of guidelines (aka 1 year)

Vick denies killing any dogs in 2002 (para. 12 of stipulated facts) and that dogs were killled in 2007 as the result of the "collective efforts" of Vick and his co-defendants.

Vick denies placing sidbets on fights or receiving proceeds from "purses" won by BadNewz Kennels, so he can tell Goodell he didn't gamble even though the plea's stipulated facts state in para. 4 that BadNewz Kennels was a gambling enterprise and tat Vick financed the gambling (Vick's co-defendants are said to have split the winnings)

Given what they had to work with, Vick's attorneys earned their pay in negotiatig this plea agreement.
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Old 08-24-2007, 01:24 PM   #410
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what exactly is this $100/count for dan?

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6. Special Assessment

Before sentencing in this case, defendant agrees to pay $100 mandatory special assesment fee per count of conviction.
this was funny. "civil action United States v. Approximately 53 Pit Bull Dogs"
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