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Old 07-31-2007, 01:12 PM   #31
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I truly believe that the underlying problem is not history...politics...or military presence ....Its presenting democracy to a people who have NO idea what it looks like. I think that every step hindered by a people whos past government was so bad that they are content with each step in the process, not being able to comprehend the END results...and therefore unknowingly ...unwilling... to fully commit to their own progress.
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Old 07-31-2007, 03:55 PM   #32
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I am reading a book now called "Cobra II", and I'm almost done with it. No offense to anyone here, but you NEED to read this book if you want to know exactly what went wrong, where and when, and exactly why we are in the situation we are in now. The book is written from a non-political standpoint, and there is almost no opinion, just straight fact, but it is, without a doubt, the single most informative piece ever written about the Iraq War. The book even shows what Saddam was planning and all the mistakes he made. Without getting into it too heavily, I can tell you that a few glaring things stand out:

-This was not, is not, and never will be a War for Oil.
-This invasion would have never occurred if we would have taken about 2 extra steps in Iraq I
-Donald Rumsfeld is the freaking Devil. 90% of what we are dealing with now is his doing.
-Bush made a lot of mistakes, but many of them were mistakes in personnel.
-The WMD thing was an honest mistake. Even Saddam's generals were positive that he had them.

I strongly recommend that anyone who hasn't already read the book go pick it up tomorrow. It will open you eyes regardless of your political leanings.
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Old 07-31-2007, 10:48 PM   #33
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How right you are...all those who claimed Iraq was evil and had WMD's should be held accountable..........lets see:



I will be happy to help you spearhead the movement to have these "liars" removed from office!!
Agreed. As long as we start with The Liar in Chief!
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Old 07-31-2007, 11:14 PM   #34
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I am reading a book now called "Cobra II", and I'm almost done with it. No offense to anyone here, but you NEED to read this book if you want to know exactly what went wrong, where and when, and exactly why we are in the situation we are in now. The book is written from a non-political standpoint, and there is almost no opinion, just straight fact, but it is, without a doubt, the single most informative piece ever written about the Iraq War. The book even shows what Saddam was planning and all the mistakes he made. Without getting into it too heavily, I can tell you that a few glaring things stand out:

-This was not, is not, and never will be a War for Oil.
-This invasion would have never occurred if we would have taken about 2 extra steps in Iraq I
-Donald Rumsfeld is the freaking Devil. 90% of what we are dealing with now is his doing.
-Bush made a lot of mistakes, but many of them were mistakes in personnel.
-The WMD thing was an honest mistake. Even Saddam's generals were positive that he had them.

I strongly recommend that anyone who hasn't already read the book go pick it up tomorrow. It will open you eyes regardless of your political leanings.

Wow.... a book that does an assessment which pleases nobody? Doesn't the author know that in this day and age he has to have a pre-planned agenda in order to gain power or make money? He should go talk to the DNC or GOP. They know all about that.
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Here is what I don't get...

For all of you who are dead-set on the president being a liar taking us to war for political gain....

Do you see the fact that the democratic party are now beating the peace drums for no other reason then political gain?


They are ALL the same.
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Agreed. As long as we start with The Liar in Chief!
hmmmmmmm...trade a Republican president in the last stages of his two terms.......for a horde of hypocritical pseudo-intellectual liberals with future aspirations of grandeur?.........DONE!!!!
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Here is what I don't get...

For all of you who are dead-set on the president being a liar taking us to war for political gain....

Do you see the fact that the democratic party are now beating the peace drums for no other reason then political gain?


They are ALL the same.
yep, a democrat sent us to war in vietnam, and the republicans beat the peace drums when it was clear it was unpopular. i do have to ask though, if gore were president, do you think we'd be in iraq?
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yep, a democrat sent us to war in vietnam, and the republicans beat the peace drums when it was clear it was unpopular. i do have to ask though, if gore were president, do you think we'd be in iraq?
Jane Fonda was a republican? John Kerry was a republican? Those peace marchers, the ones who spit on soldiers, burned the flag and soldiers in effigy? They were all republicans?

Who knew?
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hmmmmmmm...trade a Republican president in the last stages of his two terms.......for a horde of hypocritical pseudo-intellectual liberals with future aspirations of grandeur?.........DONE!!!!
Pelosi being president of the US will be as disastrous as having Billary as president.

I'd much rather he finishes it off.

Look at it this way guys, Jan. 20, 2009 will be here before you know it and Nov 2008 will be here before you know it. In addition, the more days we're in Iraq, the closer we are to coming home.
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Wow.... a book that does an assessment which pleases nobody? Doesn't the author know that in this day and age he has to have a pre-planned agenda in order to gain power or make money? He should go talk to the DNC or GOP. They know all about that.
It pleased me mightily, and I'm a moderate Republican (far right on economic, slightly left on social issues). I was happy to finally see straight reporting on exactly what went wrong and how it all happened, and it's refreshing that it isn't filtered through a political filter or spun in any way. This is a must read for people who want to be informed.
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