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Old 08-09-2007, 08:55 PM   #61
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A) If the Mexicans jumping the border aren't benefiting by flocking here, then, um, why are they flocking here?
B) My argument is two pronged. I'm just as angry at immigrants who come here and manipulate our tax code to their advantage and our disadvantage.
C) "Victory for them"? If you think there is some vast difference between, say, Hillary Clinton and W, you've been successfully hoodwinked. They are both working from the same agenda that big business and a few other power brokers set for them. Which is exactly why it's so pointless to bash one particular cog in a giant wheel of deception.
Well said.

On the note of immigration...here in Detroit, we have a large Middle Eastern population. They come mostly legally with visa's and work permits. But, some take FULL advantage of tax breaks and incentives. You have one who will come over, open up a liquor store (all liquor store owners here are Arab) and work for the number of months they are allowed, sending all money back home. Once their work visa expires, a family member comes over and works the same store. They avoid taxes, get incentive loans and send all their money out of the country. Pisses people off as if you are a native resident, getting the same enterprise up and running is MUCH more expensive.
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Old 08-09-2007, 09:58 PM   #62
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Well said.

On the note of immigration...here in Detroit, we have a large Middle Eastern population. They come mostly legally with visa's and work permits. But, some take FULL advantage of tax breaks and incentives. You have one who will come over, open up a liquor store (all liquor store owners here are Arab) and work for the number of months they are allowed, sending all money back home. Once their work visa expires, a family member comes over and works the same store. They avoid taxes, get incentive loans and send all their money out of the country. Pisses people off as if you are a native resident, getting the same enterprise up and running is MUCH more expensive.
Yes, well, that's another form of the manipulation. And we not only allow that, we encourage it! I understand where Dan is coming from, but the fact is that ALL our immigration laws are messed up, and it doesn't matter who gets elected president or senator, it's not going to change.

I saw a poignant political cartoon the other day. It showed one bin Laden look-a-like saying to another "We must destroy America's Infrastructure before they do it themselves". Sad and disturbing and probably true.
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WASHINGTON _ The Bush administration plans to step up immigration enforcement by raising fines on employers who hire undocumented workers, overhauling temporary worker programs and speeding up deployment of border agents, according to a summary of the plans.

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff and Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez planned to announce broad immigration changes at a news conference Friday.

Some of the initiatives are similar to proposals contained in recent immigration legislation, although they are not nearly as sweeping as the bill that failed to pass the Senate. Other measures are already under way.

An outline of the announcement, obtained by The Associated Press from a congressional aide, said the administration plans to expand the list of international gangs whose members are automatically denied admission to the U.S., reduce processing times for immigrant background checks and install by the end of the year an exit system so the departure of foreigners from the country can be recorded at airports and seaports.

In addition, employers will face possible criminal sanctions if they don't fire employees unable to clear up problems with their Social Security numbers.

Also, the Homeland Security Department will ask states to voluntarily share their driver's license photos and records with the agency for use in an employment verification system. The sharing is meant to help employers detect fraudulent licenses, according to the summary.

A spokesman for the Homeland Security Department declined to comment because the announcement had not been made. The Commerce Department press office also declined comment.

Chertoff alluded to the new enforcement tactics in a speech in Boston on Wednesday, calling to it "tool sharpening."

"We shouldn't have a patchwork of laws. We should be doing a comprehensive federal solution, but we haven't got that thing done," Chertoff said. "What I can tell you is we will certainly use every enforcement tool that we have, and every resource that we have available, to tackle the problem."

President Bush suffered a major political defeat when Senate immigration legislation failed to pass this year.

The legislation was opposed by many conservatives who complained that Americans don't trust the government to start new immigration programs because existing immigration laws are not being enforced.

The Senate bill would have allowed millions of illegal immigrants to obtain legal status and eventually apply for legal residency. It also would have created a guest worker program and stepped up border security.

Some members have kept up efforts to tighten the border. Last month, the Senate added $3 billion to a Homeland Security bill to be used for U.S.-Mexico border security.
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steps to combat illegal immigration need to be taken. I don't just blame the illegals, I blame the businesses that hire them. INS needs to weed out the illegals, deport them, and penalize the hell out of these businesses, how about a $20,000 fine per illegal working there? I'd say start holding businesses who hire illegals, avoid taxes and other illegal practices accountable, shut them down, make the owners suffer. start yanking their assets. make it hard if not impossible for illegal immigrants to get a job here because no one will hire them out of fear of being penilized. enable people who can come to the U.S. legally, work legally, pay taxes, and respect our laws to become citizens.
Another idea I heard: make "contract labor" (where they typically hide illegal immigrants on the books) non-deductible unless the company can document that the workers were Americans or legal aliens. That makes it a little more expensive to hire illegal immigrants. Even better, it makes accounting fraud an issue, and businesses will take that a lot more seriously than immigration laws.
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My inquisitive nature has gotten the best of me. I would really appreciate an explanation of your intent? What exactly do you wish to achieve by posting this? And finally, what are your true thought's about those who are here legally, and how do you determine if they are not, in your community? Thanks in advance!

Personally, I feel your post was not appropriate for this thread. Serious dialog with detailed data, statistics and opinion have been the proven overtone, with minor exception. As a society we attend various comedic events with the full expectation and knowledge of the presented content. This thread just hasn't been one of those.
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My inquisitive nature has gotten the best of me. I would really appreciate an explanation of your intent? What exactly do you wish to achieve by posting this? And finally, what are your true thought's about those who are here legally, and how do you determine if they are not, in your community? Thanks in advance!

Personally, I feel your post was not appropriate for this thread. Serious dialog with detailed data, statistics and opinion have been the proven overtone, with minor exception. As a society we attend various comedic events with the full expectation and knowledge of the presented content. This thread just hasn't been one of those.
I don't know...I found it quite humorous!

Keeps things light as some people take themselves way to seriously. A problem around the world, so I have found.
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I don't know...I found it quite humorous!

Keeps things light as some people take themselves way to seriously. A problem around the world, so I have found.
Keeping things light depends on the person who is speaking, and those who are listening. I posed the questions based upon that persons history within this thread. First I addressed the use of "Mexifornia", then this. An obvious pattern without anything leading us to believe that the intent is "keeping things light". Based on that history within this thread, I didn't find it funny at all, but asked for clarification, which to this point I have not received. And, why would someone have that on their computer?

Hammer, I'm all for having a damn good time & gettin' crazy! But if I'm in a crowd of people of whom I don't know very well, or know at all, and those are the only words coming out of one specific person, I gotta call them on it! I'm guessing you would too. I've gotta have some rapport to understand motive & intent. If I'm sure evrything is cool, then let's have a good time.
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Keeping things light depends on the person who is speaking, and those who are listening. I posed the questions based upon that persons history within this thread. First I addressed the use of "Mexifornia", then this. An obvious pattern without anything leading us to believe that the intent is "keeping things light". Based on that history within this thread, I didn't find it funny at all, but asked for clarification, which to this point I have not received. And, why would someone have that on their computer?

Hammer, I'm all for having a damn good time & gettin' crazy! But if I'm in a crowd of people of whom I don't know very well, or know at all, and those are the only words coming out of one specific person, I gotta call them on it! I'm guessing you would too. I've gotta have some rapport to understand motive & intent. If I'm sure evrything is cool, then let's have a good time.
I dunno, I have pretty broad sense of humor. Politically incorrect or not. I try to fight the PCness our society is warping to. I don't get offended easily. At least not by satire. IF it was about Irish potato farmers and was funny, I would laugh.
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what's the old saying ?...." if your not part of the solution, your part of the problem ".....old GW has had , or will have, 8 years to be part a solution the american people have been screamin for. your right,the system is broke....but isn't that why we have periodic elections? don't we vote people in to FIX the problem ? if you hire someone to fix your car, do you not hold them accountable when it still runs like crap?

Sorry, but I am feeling slightly disillusioned by the fact that every politician who has ever offered to fix a problem usually ends up not fixing it nor making it worse for the rest of us. The politicians either end up attaching more bureacratic red tape or pork barrel spending to legislation that will supposedly fix the problem and is supposed to make us all feel good about our governments handling of the problem. Usually, after its all said and done it feels like we've been left holding the bag or gotten the short end of the stick. I believe that it all has to do with pandoring to a certain constituency(s) such as the Democrats trying to get the Hispanic vote to remain in power, which ends up meaning that we as Americans, who are here legally have once again been shoved to the end of the line, and have been told how it is good to swallow this bitter pill (immigration reform/a guest worker program or amnesty) in the hopes that things will get better. My only question is why in the world would we have to reform our immigration policies when we don't even enforce the laws that are already on the books.

As far as accountability goes, which i believe that we should hold our elected officials feet to the fire, why then do these same doofus's manage to get reelected year after year after year.
Are we as Americans that dumb ,or have we just become complacent because there is not a better candidate to vote for?
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