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Old 09-14-2007, 09:19 AM   #101
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Not true - you helpfully provided the link to Patriots Daily defending the conduct.


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Well, I don't believe there to be such a huge distinction in employing lip-readers and guys with binoculars and having a guy with a video recorder. you are obviously in the minority of haziness.

It all seems a little ridiculous that the Patriots have been heavily punished for essentially using slightly higher spec technology. slightly higher? how do you expect to be taken seriously when you compare the ancient art of lip reading to modern video and digital recording equipment?

When I see the self righteousness by other teams fans, I think its because they believe that the Patriots have been caught trying to get other teams signals - while also believing that no other team does the exact same thing. the patriots have been caught cheating. its that simple. what youre doing is exactly the same as a country violating the geneva convention by torturing pow's and saying "everybody tries getting info out of their prisoners"

or the cop who beats rodney king and says "i was just trying to punish a criminal".

the best example i can come up with is from "casino". sure counting cards in blackjack isnt illegal, but if youre too good and constantly beating the house you are going to politely be asked to leave. however if youre in a partnership, and your buddy is using electronical devices to help you "beat the house" hes gonna find himself in a back room with his hand busted up with a hammer.

"but everyone is trying to gain a competitive edge and win", right?

This is totally wrong. no, your whole post is totally wrong.

What the Patriots did was use an illegal method to try and obtain the same information others team do. what patriots did was get caught cheating. this excuse that "everybody does it" is false and juvenile.

I guarantee you, alot of the guys spouting off with opinions don't realise that the Steelers devote as much time as anyone else to trying to steal their opponents signals and protect their own. wow. a guarantee huh? now youre just making stuff up to try and remove the tarnish from the patriots and put it on everyone else. bogus
everything you say is just regurgitations of apologist patriot fans who will go to the ends of the earth with the "deny everything" mentality to try to preserve this little legacy of greatness that exists only in their heads. secretly they feel ashamed and betrayed and now doubt the king with no clothes. they built him up and worhiped him like a god, and now they realize hes gotta be one of the dumbest coaches out there to screw up this bad. all the deflection and false justification wont change that.

it is what it is.
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Old 09-14-2007, 09:29 AM   #102
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The best thing about this whole thing is that the Patriots = Barry Bonds in many people minds now. Their championships are tainted forever and their image as cheaters, like Bonds, is engrained in our minds forever.

Belicheck was a lousy head coach in Cleveland and had a lousy team in New England his first season there. He got lucky when he drafted a QB in the 6th round and now he has been caught cheating. Yeah...this guy belongs in the same conversation as Landry, Noll, Walsh, etc....give me a break.
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Old 09-14-2007, 09:35 AM   #103
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The difference between a video camera and binoculars is so ridiculously obvious that I'm surprised it is even being debated. With a video camera you have a sharable, repeatable and reviewable record; with binoculars you have someone's opinion on what they remember having seen. The two are NOT comparable.


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Old 09-14-2007, 10:42 AM   #104
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It is any coincidence that LeBeau's defense thoroughly confused and harassed Brady and the genius Charley Weiss on the Haloween game in 2004...and then...all of the sudden...it was a completely different story during the Championship Game.

Do you think that ol' Belechek was had some video on LeBeau? I think so.
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Old 09-14-2007, 10:51 AM   #105
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It is any coincidence that LeBeau's defense thoroughly confused and harassed Brady and the genius Charley Weiss on the Haloween game in 2004...and then...all of the sudden...it was a completely different story during the Championship Game.

Do you think that ol' Belechek was had some video on LeBeau? I think so.
Another in a long line of excuse makers.

Your team sucks in the big game.

Get used to it (well, apart from the bit about actually making it to the big game...)
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Here is Belichick's statement - what a sanctimonious piece of garbage:

I accept full responsibility for the actions that led to tonight's ruling. Once again, I apologize to the Kraft family and every person directly or indirectly associated with the New England Patriots for the embarrassment, distraction and penalty my mistake caused. I also apologize to Patriots fans and would like to thank them for their support during the past few days and throughout my career. [and the rest of the league and its fans can go screw themselves]

As the commissioner acknowledged, our use of sideline video had no impact on the outcome of last week's game. We have never used sideline video to obtain a competitive advantage while the game was in progress. [we break down the video and use it for the next time we play the team]

Part of my job as head coach is to ensure that our football operations are conducted in compliance of the league rules and all accepted interpretations of them. My interpretation of a rule in the Constitution and Bylaws was incorrect. ["There is no controlling legal authority that says this was in violation of law." -- Al Gore]

With tonight's resolution, I will not be offering any further comments on this matter. We are moving on with our preparations for Sunday's game. ["Let others wallow in Watergate?we are going to do our job.? - Richard Milhous Nixon]
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Another in a long line of excuse makers.
Coming from someone who has made one excuse after another over the last couple of days in an attempt to defend the indefensible, this is most ironic.
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Another in a long line of excuse makers.

Your team sucks in the big game.

Get used to it (well, apart from the bit about actually making it to the big game...)

why dont you keep this type of crap in the blast furnace while the big boys who actually understand the code of the shield talk some real football and real issues.

in fact now is the time all patfans should be banding together with brotherly love as they hunker in the bunker.
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in fact now is the time all patfans should be banding together with brotherly love as they hunker in the bunker.
And sip the red, white and blue Kool-Aid!
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Another in a long line of excuse makers.

Your team sucks in the big game.

Get used to it (well, apart from the bit about actually making it to the big game...)
We suck in the big game..right. Count the Super Bowl trophies pal. I'll take the Steelers history any day of the week over the Patriots history.

As a matter of fact, between the two teams, we are the most recent champion. Who choked away a big lead in last years Championship Game against the Colts...Yeah...I thought so.

You're days of being a champion are not only tainted, but tainted for good.

Like I said before, if you're team didn't get lucky with a 6th round draft pick, you would have zero hardware in your box.

Time for you to get used to it.

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